Gays responsible for Srebrenica massacre

[citizen k]

I don't think anyone is arguing for an open season on gay clubbing

[garbon]

Like a Jewish father once said to his son in a movie (the title of which I forgot) I once saw: "Remember always who you are, son, because even if you forget it, there will always be some son of a bitch to remind you of that."

My father always told me to remember that people will treat me like I'm black...but that never happens as no one recognizes me as such.

[garbon]

?

[The Brain]

Like a Jewish father once said to his son in a movie (the title of which I forgot) I once saw: "Remember always who you are, son, because even if you forget it, there will always be some son of a bitch to remind you of that."

My father always told me to remember that people will treat me like I'm black...but that never happens as no one recognizes me as such.

Gay = black?

[garbon]

Like a Jewish father once said to his son in a movie (the title of which I forgot) I once saw: "Remember always who you are, son, because even if you forget it, there will always be some son of a bitch to remind you of that."

My father always told me to remember that people will treat me like I'm black...but that never happens as no one recognizes me as such.

Gay = black?

Canadian = black

[The Brain]

Like a Jewish father once said to his son in a movie (the title of which I forgot) I once saw: "Remember always who you are, son, because even if you forget it, there will always be some son of a bitch to remind you of that."

My father always told me to remember that people will treat me like I'm black...but that never happens as no one recognizes me as such.

Gay = black?

Canadian = black

:barf:

[grumbler]

My father always told me to remember that people will treat me like I'm black...but that never happens as no one recognizes me as such.

Bill Clinton has much the same lament.

[garbon]

Bill Clinton has much the same lament.

He has Hillary so no sympathy is deserved.

[citizen k]

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gay clubbing? 

[Josquius]

BTW "gay" or whatever other word you want to use is a choice for some of us.

I don't live a "gay" or "straight" lifestyle.  I live a life. It may have some style (those who know me would say I have great style) but it is neither definably gay or staright or any other word that debases it as being wholly concerned with who I sleep with.

To my mind anyone who bases their entire existence on which gender you prefer have sex with is a sad little person.

Currently when I feel up for sex it's dudes, only because it's simpler. less ritual, and planning. MY lifestyle is Lazy-sexual? :p

nope, I'm a person before I'm any sort of LGBT typology. I make a point also not to lump others' sexuality into large assumptive categories based solely on who they fuck. who you fuck has very little bearing on your job (unless you are a hooker) or even your hobbies, to my mind.

Thats not the lines I was thinking. But I agree anyway.
I was thinking more- being gay IS 100% optional. If Martinus (or whoever) wanted to he could go out there get married, have kids and live a totally straight life. As far as society is concerned he'd be straight
But he'd still actually be gay. And so of course wouldn't at all be happy in doing this.
I was thinking homosexual vs gay is a decent way to explain 'being' gay and actually 'doing' gay (...odd English there).

[garbon]

gay clubbing? 

Why that image? Why an image at all?

[citizen k]

gay clubbing? 

Why that image? Why an image at all?

to differentiate between clubbing a gay like a baby seal and gay clubbing? 

[Martinus]

That may be nice and dandy, but we don't live in a X-blind society (where X is race, color, or sexual orientation). To the homophobes out there you and I will always be freaks and that's how they will define us. One may hide his head in the sand and "reject labels" or own up to it and be gay/bi and proud about it.

No, not really.
I used to like you, but you became some kind of gay-leftist crusader.
That's at least 2 things I have an hard time with.

I am not gay to the exclusion of everything else, but it is one of the important aspects of my identity.

That's what I don't get with you guys.
I don't think my taste in sexual partners is an important aspect of my identity.  I don't think my identity is built around the type of women I love. 

I'd like to think I'm much richer than that.

But if you insist on being shallow, I suppose that's your right.

Just don't complain when people bitch back.

It is a matter of some intangible brotherhood based on common experience (of prejudice but not just that), similar sensibilities and similar perspective that is often impossible to understand for the "mainstream" people. In many ways, this kinship is greater than one created by ethnicity - I feel I have more in common with a gay person from the US than I have with a Polish catholic farmer, for example.

There again: You VS the rest of the world.
So, being Polish and being raised by catholic parents didn't really made you into what you are today, but at some point during your teenage year, you woke up a totally different man, the old marty was gone, the new gay one arrived.  You then decided it would be a good thing to become a lawyer, and you developped an appreciation for strategy games on the PC.

Before you discovered yourserlf as gay, you were nothing, now you are everything.

And you complain it's hard for mainstream people to understand you?  I wonder why.

Dear god, there is so much wrong in this post I don't even know where to begin. Please die already.

For the record, I never liked you. I considered you always a miserable piece of human trash, ever since your homophobic rants at grallon back on the Paradox boards. Plus you are fat and disgusting. So no love lost here, I'm afraid.

Oh and my parents aren't catholic. Dad is lapsed, mother is agnostic. Grandmother (who had a big part in raising me) was an atheist.

[Martinus]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something? We are having a vibrant gay scene in Warsaw (and it is considered good form for the non-queer celebrities and more hip politicians to show themselves every once in a while dancing in one of the upscale gay clubs), and a fucking Euro Pride in July. Sure, there are some neonazis coming to Pride marches but last year there were maybe 30 of them and police had to protect them from the gay pride participants. Compared to the event in front of Notre Dame earlier this year, it seems like Poland has less violence against gays than France.

Perhaps it's not San Francisco, but it's definitely not Russia or Romania either.

[The Brain]

San "BB gun" Francisco? That's a relief.