Gays responsible for Srebrenica massacre

[Martinus]

San "BB gun" Francisco? That's a relief.

Well, he used San Francisco as a litmus test, not me - I was aware of this incident, but I thought against bringing this up not to muddle the message. Thanks Mr. Nitpick. 

[crazy canuck]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

If you stopped posting so many drama queen shrill threads about how disfunctional you are because of such things as how repressive Poland is then perhaps we might have a different view of things.

[Ed Anger]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

If you stopped posting so many drama queen shrill threads about how disfunctional you are because of such things as how repressive Poland is then perhaps we might have a different view of things.

I won't have a different view. Poles are just waiting to collaborate in a pogrom with either a German or Russian master. Whichever one they spread their legs for.

[crazy canuck]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

If you stopped posting so many drama queen shrill threads about how disfunctional you are because of such things as how repressive Poland is then perhaps we might have a different view of things.

I won't have a different view. Poles are just waiting to collaborate in a pogrom with either a German or Russian master. Whichever one they spread their legs for.

True, but you would not necessarily know that they also hunt down gays in their spare time unless Marti endlessly bleated about it.

[DGuller]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

I believe that would be you. 

[Faeelin]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

I mostly constructed it because it annoys you.

[Martinus]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

If you stopped posting so many drama queen shrill threads about how disfunctional you are because of such things as how repressive Poland is then perhaps we might have a different view of things.

Show me three threads I posted since the start of this iteration of the forum, which concern "how repressive Poland is".

[Sheilbh]

I always have a bit of an issue with the sudden turn to being 'colour-blind', 'gender-blind' or 'sexuality-blind' and not taking that into consideration.  I mean to use the feminism example you've centuries of gender and sex being probably the most important characteristic that will define you.  When women push back against that, suddenly apparently we should just not care about sex or gender (and it's the feminists' fault that they do care about it) and ignore or forget about the weight of history.  It always seems to be to be almost an attempt at self-absolution.

My own view is that there are people who judge and wish me harm because I am gay- in other words this has been how homosexuals have been defined for the last century at least, and that isn't/wasn't a choice.  So I'm not going to stand there and argue 'well I'm a person who just happens to....'  Because I'm buying into the fundamental argument of homophobes that there is something wrong and worth shame in being gay.  So I'll take that label and what's behind it and wear it with pride.

When you are with people who are genuinely tolerant - who don't give a shit - you don't have to have that sort of sophism because they are tolerant enough not to care whether you're a 'gay' person rather than a 'person who happens to be gay'.

Now this of course doesn't mean I'm not a person with wide-ranging interests and thoughts and conversations, but it's absurd that I'd have to deny a part of my identity (and the one that many people focus on as the most important, the one aspect deserving loathing) to have a wide-ranging life. 

I don't think my taste in sexual partners is an important aspect of my identity.  I don't think my identity is built around the type of women I love.

I'd like to think I'm much richer than that.

This is nonsense.  You may be a sublime human hotpot but the truth is that your choice of sexual partner is an essential part of your identity.  I think those sexual experiences and relationships are hugely important in forming us.  Ultimately in terms of marriage or relationship sexual desire is a big part of how we choose the person who will, more than anyone since our mother, shape and define our character.  The only way you could remove sex from your identity is if you cauterised the soul.

Edit:  Incidentally I hate the word 'tolerance' because it indicates someone powerful deigning to 'tolerate' you or someone 'tolerating' a nuisance.  I far prefer a concept like solidarity which is more equal.  And I think the difference is instructive here.  The goal in tolerance is, as G suggests earlier, that sexuality is dismissed, whereas I think solidarity has a situation where sexuality is fine and the present seething central aspect of humanity that it is (God bless you Herr Doktor Freud) but that the nature of it doesn't matter.  So the gay guy may not understand with his straight friend considering some girl terribly hot, or vice versa but they recognise it's the same as opposed to something that shouldn't said or should be brushed under the carpet for fear of being too 'gay' or overly defined by one's sexuality.

Dismissing sexuality to me suggests a life that compartmentalises it away from all other human relations.  I don't want to be any more private and abashed about loves and relationships than I choose to be.  I want to have them as able to be celebrated and commiserated by other people as any straight person.  I think that's what I mean by people who are genuinely tolerant and don't care - and I think there are a fair few on Languish.

[Martinus]

Very well said, Sheilbh. Agree 100%.

The fact that I take a keen interest in gay-related affairs does not mean I have no other interests or hobbies - but that's an important part of my personality and identity, that goes beyond "who I just happen to fuck". Now, on Languish we all become a bit distorted caricatures of our real selves, because a board like this tends to focus on some aspects of life rather than others (for example, I doubt that in real life 90% of all conversations or free time of Caliga is devoted to boobs).

[crazy canuck]

Oh and btw, where do people get this image of Poland as a country where guys are hunted for sport or something?

If you stopped posting so many drama queen shrill threads about how disfunctional you are because of such things as how repressive Poland is then perhaps we might have a different view of things.

Show me three threads I posted since the start of this iteration of the forum, which concern "how repressive Poland is".

Yes, I will get right on that.  In the meantime you might wonder why Poland gay hunting has become a Languish Meme and what Polish poster could have been the reason for that.

[crazy canuck]

Dismissing sexuality to me suggests a life that compartmentalises it away from all other human relations.  I don't want to be any more private and abashed about loves and relationships than I choose to be.  I want to have them as able to be celebrated and commiserated by other people as any straight person.  I think that's what I mean by people who are genuinely tolerant and don't care - and I think there are a fair few on Languish.

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

[sbr]

Dismissing sexuality to me suggests a life that compartmentalises it away from all other human relations.  I don't want to be any more private and abashed about loves and relationships than I choose to be.  I want to have them as able to be celebrated and commiserated by other people as any straight person.  I think that's what I mean by people who are genuinely tolerant and don't care - and I think there are a fair few on Languish.

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

[grumbler]

Show me three threads I posted since the start of this iteration of the forum, which concern "how repressive Poland is".

Note the lack of denial... just a degree of confidence that he hasn't too-obviously done this three times in this iteration of the board! 

A most excellent weasel.

[grumbler]

BTW, I saw the video of this hearing, and Sen Levin absolutely eviscerated the poor, stupid general.  It is a thing of beauty. Go http://armed-services.senate.gov/Webcasts/2010/03%20March/03-18-10%20Webcast.htm and fast forward to about minute 68.

[Grallon]

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Dismissing sexuality to me suggests a life that compartmentalises it away from all other human relations.  I don't want to be any more private and abashed about loves and relationships than I choose to be.  I want to have them as able to be celebrated and commiserated by other people as any straight person.  I think that's what I mean by people who are genuinely tolerant and don't care - and I think there are a fair few on Languish.

Thoughtful and tactful as always Sheilbh lad.  However I think you misunderstood my use of the expression 'dismissing one' sexual orientation'; or perhaps I wasn't clear enough.  As CC said, the idea is to not prejudge someone solely on one's... culinary habits - like Viper can't help himself doing for instance.




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