Gates' defense budget: more low-tech, less high-tech

Started by CountDeMoney, April 08, 2009, 05:05:39 AM

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CountDeMoney

Overall, I approve with the arguable exception of the F-22.
Now, if we can only axe the Missile Defense Agency and other assorted Star Wars bullshit.

Thoughts?

QuoteGates Seeks Sharp Turn In Spending
Defense Budget Focuses On Lower-Tech Weapons


By Greg Jaffe and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, April 7, 2009; A01

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates outlined sweeping changes to the defense budget Monday that would shift billions of dollars in Pentagon spending away from elaborate weapons toward programs more likely to benefit troops in today's wars.

The proposal by Gates amounts to a radical change in the way the Pentagon buys weapons. For decades, the United States has spent trillions of dollars on weapons programs that strove for revolutionary leaps but often were delivered years late and billions of dollars over budget. In proposing his 2010 budget, which is likely to face stiff resistance from Congress, Gates emphasized that he wanted to change the "priorities of America's defense establishment."

The effort to pare back weapons programs that Gates derided as "truly in the exquisite category" reflects a growing recognition in the Pentagon that the days of soaring defense budgets are over. And it highlights Gates's long-stated desire to increase spending on surveillance systems and other relatively low-tech weapons that are best suited for guerrilla or irregular war, which has traditionally been an industry backwater. "I'm just trying to get the irregular guys to have a seat at the table and to institutionalize some of the needs they have," he said.

To bolster the Afghan war effort, he would spend $2 billion more on intelligence and surveillance programs to track insurgents and $500 million to field more helicopters and an additional 2,800 Special Operations personnel focused on counterterrorism. The $534 billion plan represents a $20 billion increase over 2009.

Among the weapons taking the biggest hits are the Navy's DDG 1000 destroyer, a stealthy ship whose cost has ballooned over the past decade. The Navy will purchase only three of the advanced ships and then revert to building the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers that have been a mainstay of the fleet for years.

Gates recommended halting production of the Air Force's F-22 fighter jet at 187 planes -- four more than the current number -- and killing the new presidential helicopter program.

The Pentagon proposal also would dramatically cut back the Army's ambitious Future Combat Systems program, which consists of a network of advanced vehicles, unmanned surveillance aircraft and battlefield sensors. Specifically, Gates said that he is canceling the $87 billion in the program set aside to develop a new generation of light armored vehicles that were meant to replace Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 72-ton tanks. These advanced vehicles, which have been in development for almost a decade, were supposed to rely on better surveillance technology to compensate for their lack of armor.

The huge toll that low-tech roadside bombs have taken on Army and Marine Corps troops in Iraq and Afghanistan led Gates to conclude that such an approach was not feasible. Instead of pouring more money into the futuristic vehicles, Gates indicated that he was more comfortable spending money on the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle, or MRAP, which is based on a South African design that dates to the early 1990s.

He also set aside $2 billion for surveillance technology, such as Predator unmanned surveillance planes and sensors that have proved their worth tracking down insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another $11 billion is being reallocated within the budget to pay for a planned increase of 65,000 troops to the Army's ranks and an additional 27,000 Marines.

In unveiling his new priorities for the Pentagon, Gates acknowledged that he would probably face opposition from lawmakers eager to protect jobs in their districts. "My hope is that members of Congress will rise above parochial interests and consider what is in the best interest of the nation as a whole," he said.

Gates demanded unprecedented secrecy when developing the budget over the past six weeks. Senior generals throughout the department were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. In order to prevent leaks, Gates won special permission from the president to withhold his decisions from the White House's Office of Management and Budget until after the budget proposal was formally announced. "We wanted to ensure that the changes were presented in full context," a senior Pentagon official said.

The initial response on Capitol Hill was restrained, reflecting Gates's credibility among Republicans, the president's popularity and the fact that the midterm congressional elections are still 18 months away. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) called the Gates plan "a good-faith effort." But he also asserted Congress's authority over how defense money is spent. "The buck stops with Congress," Skelton said in a statement.

The cuts will undoubtedly be painful for communities such as Marietta, Ga., where about 2,000 Lockheed Martin workers assemble the F-22. The program employs about 25,000 people around the country, said Rep. Tom Price (R), whose Georgia district includes the Lockheed Martin plant. "This decision will not only cost thousands of jobs at a critical time, it is detrimental to the country's national defense capabilities," Price said. "The president's priorities are deeply flawed."

Similarly, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) bemoaned the decision to stop building F-22s. "This would result in the loss of thousands of jobs in Connecticut," he said.

Gates said he was concerned about the impact his changes would have on companies and workers, but he noted that many of the job cuts would be offset by increases in other areas. For example, even as the number of employees working on the F-22 declined, tens of thousands more workers would be hired to build the F-35, a more affordable and slightly less advanced stealth fighter. Gates said he planned to accelerate production of the plane to buy 30 in 2010, up from a planned purchase of 14 this year.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 05:05:39 AM
Overall, I approve with the arguable exception of the F-22.
Now, if we can only axe the Missile Defense Agency and other assorted Star Wars bullshit.

Thoughts?



With North Korea testing long range missile I'd prefer that we keep the Missile Defense Agency.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 08, 2009, 05:22:56 AM
With North Korea testing long range missile I'd prefer that we keep the Missile Defense Agency.

Go fuck yourself, you limpy gimp. It's unnecessary.

Alatriste

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 08, 2009, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 05:05:39 AM
Overall, I approve with the arguable exception of the F-22.
Now, if we can only axe the Missile Defense Agency and other assorted Star Wars bullshit.

Thoughts?



With North Korea testing long range missile I'd prefer that we keep the Missile Defense Agency.

If North Korea wants to nuke the US  in a first strike you shouldn't worry about ICBMs but fishing boats, cargo containers and civilian airplanes...

Personally I consider the changes eminently sensible, moderate indeed. He has not only kept but increased the number of F-35s, hasn't touched the submarine force (which IMHO is oversized as things stand now), kept the Litoral Combat Ships...

Oh, and: Did you really have an overdue, overexpensive, overkill development program for new presidential helicopters? It seems like something out of a comedy... 

Vince

I hope this doesn't screw over my company too much.   :unsure:

Alatriste

Quote from: Vince on April 08, 2009, 06:39:14 AM
I hope this doesn't screw over my company too much.   :unsure:

Praise the Lord and keep your Congressmen happy!

Vince

Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 06:56:44 AM
Quote from: Vince on April 08, 2009, 06:39:14 AM
I hope this doesn't screw over my company too much.   :unsure:

Praise the Lord and keep your Congressmen happy!

My Congressman is a 2-term Neophyte.  I must have my faith in my company's lobbyists and it's ability to provide kickbacks and slush funds to elected officials.   :D

Ed Anger

Quote from: Vince on April 08, 2009, 07:20:53 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 06:56:44 AM
Quote from: Vince on April 08, 2009, 06:39:14 AM
I hope this doesn't screw over my company too much.   :unsure:

Praise the Lord and keep your Congressmen happy!

My Congressman is a 2-term Neophyte.  I must have my faith in my company's lobbyists and it's ability to provide kickbacks and slush funds to elected officials.   :D

My congressman is a newbie. When we had DeWine and Hobson running the show, my county and district got some of the goodies.

Now with Austria in charge, I don't know. :weep:
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Berkut

I would say that overall this is pretty refreshing - a change of focus from the whiz-bang golly-gee super toys to practical and applicable force augmentation.

We have some 180+ F-22s already - how many more do we need[/]? Note that I am not asking how many more people in Connecticut and Georgia to we need to employ.
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Valmy

Good.  The generals' obsession with fighting a theorectical World War III was a ridiculous strain on our budget at a time we are actually fighting a real war.  They can play their games about what happens when China invades India once our war is over.
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I hope they have put aside money for breech-loaders.

ulmont

Quote from: Berkut on April 08, 2009, 08:22:56 AM
Note that I am not asking how many more people in Connecticut and Georgia to we need to employ.

About 450k in Georgia.  http://www.dol.state.ga.us/pdf/pr/laborforce.pdf

Neil

Probably a good decision to limit the number of Zumwalts they build.  They're pricey, and given that the main instrument of US sea power is the carrier group (and thus odds are good that a ship would be operating near a carrier), it doesn't make sense to have a stealth destroyer sitting right next to a huge, unstealthy carrier.
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Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 06:28:06 AM
If North Korea wants to nuke the US  in a first strike you shouldn't worry about ICBMs but fishing boats, cargo containers and civilian airplanes...

How about we worry about both, rather than put all our eggs in one basket?
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Does this mean they are going to bring back the Sgt York?  That tech was rather low...
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