Newly powerful China defies Western nations

[Jacob]

Its like DOLLARS and CENTS?????

I think it's more like "yuan" means "general unit of money" (same word as "yen" in Japan, by the way) whereas "renminbi" is "the people's revolutionary democratic currency" or some such.

In Lettow terms, if the Southern States had seceded and founded their own currency, they might have named them "Confederated Free States Dollars" (i.e. "renminbi"), but the bills might have the word "Dollars" (i.e. "Yuan") on it most prominently, and that's what people would call them colloquially unless it was necessary to specify otherwise.

And I find it deliciously STUPID that people are blaming this shift in China on Obama. Kleves is mini-Hans.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Chinese foreign policy, like American and most other foreign policy these days, is 95% about internal political issues and rivalries.

[The Minsky Moment]

Example:

"You need at least 20,000 yuan to bribe a member of the Central Committee."
"The renmibi is undervalued against the dollar."

[CountDeMoney]

according to a Chinese official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he would lose his job if his name were published.

Losing his job would be the least of his concerns.

Anyway, I can't get too wrapped around the axle over an article about China anymore.  Nobody wants to do anything about China anyway. 

I'm just the guy at the radar station on Sunday morning, December 7th 1941 being told "don't worry about it". So I won't.

[Admiral Yi]

The fact that these articles come out so often only show that westerners are psychotic, being horrified everytime China shows even just 1% of the assertiveness that the US has shown almost all the time in the last 65 years.

I'm curious what acts you consider to be assertive by the US and what moments you consider China to have demonstrated its passivity.

[Jaron]

according to a Chinese official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he would lose his job if his name were published.

Losing his job would be the least of his concerns.

Anyway, I can't get too wrapped around the axle over an article about China anymore.  Nobody wants to do anything about China anyway. 

I'm just the guy at the radar station on Sunday morning, December 7th 1941 being told "don't worry about it". So I won't.

Someone is giving Marcin a run for his money in the dramatic department

[Camerus]

FWIW, I haven't noticed a single anti-western attitude during my almost two years here.  On the contrary, people (especially young people) seem quite enthralled with many elements of Western culture.

What I have noticed, though, is very rampant Chinese nationalism.  Virtually everybody I've talked to (where the subject has come up) seems to be obsessed with the notion of self-sacrifice for China, and the importance of doing anything one can to make China more powerful.  And of course, pretty much everyone is a staunch believer that, in the international realm at least, China can do no wrong.

[Neil]

FWIW, I haven't noticed a single anti-western attitude during my almost two years here.  On the contrary, people (especially young people) seem quite enthralled with many elements of Western culture.

What I have noticed, though, is very rampant Chinese nationalism.  Virtually everybody I've talked to (where the subject has come up) seems to be obsessed with the notion of self-sacrifice for China, and the importance of doing anything one can to make China more powerful.  And of course, pretty much everyone is a staunch believer that, in the international realm at least, China can do no wrong.

And that is why they are our enemies.

[CountDeMoney]

What I have noticed, though, is very rampant Chinese nationalism.  Virtually everybody I've talked to (where the subject has come up) seems to be obsessed with the notion of self-sacrifice for China, and the importance of doing anything one can to make China more powerful.  And of course, pretty much everyone is a staunch believer that, in the international realm at least, China can do no wrong.

Which is why they need to be bathed in nuclear fire.

[grumbler]

And of course, pretty much everyone is a staunch believer that, in the international realm at least, China can do no wrong.

The Canucks of the Orient, eh?

[Monoriu]

Its like DOLLARS and CENTS?????

I think it's more like "yuan" means "general unit of money" (same word as "yen" in Japan, by the way) whereas "renminbi" is "the people's revolutionary democratic currency" or some such.

In Lettow terms, if the Southern States had seceded and founded their own currency, they might have named them "Confederated Free States Dollars" (i.e. "renminbi"), but the bills might have the word "Dollars" (i.e. "Yuan") on it most prominently, and that's what people would call them colloquially unless it was necessary to specify otherwise.

And I find it deliciously STUPID that people are blaming this shift in China on Obama. Kleves is mini-Hans.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Chinese foreign policy, like American and most other foreign policy these days, is 95% about internal political issues and rivalries.

Renminbi is just "People's money".   

[Razgovory]

Mono, stop defying us.

[Martim Silva]

It ism amusing that Martim is now calling himself "the West" when he has previously called himself part of "the Union."  He may be furious, but he isn't logical.

Typical crude demagogery - trying to pin me for something I never did. Where, pray tell, did I call myself "the West" in the post?

I'm curious what acts you consider to be assertive by the US and what moments you consider China to have demonstrated its passivity.

Taiwan
Korea
Vietnam (including before the French defeat)
Laos
Cambodia
Israel
Granada
Chile
Cuba
Nicaragua
Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran

Plus everywhere the US intervened in conflicts, internal or not. Which includes most nations on Earth.

One way or another, the US takes an active stance on almost everything. Basically no nation on the planet can do anything without the US pronouncing its opinion about it, and often taking measures about it.

How often does China meddles with other countries' internal affairs?

Also, everytime the US stands for its national interests (remember the protectionist measures on steel? Or the blocking of CNOOC buying a large US oil firm? Or the recent manouvers to prevent EADS from getting a contract with the USAF and blatantly favouring Boeing?).

These are accepted by the Americans, but if China does the same... fire up the presses!

What I have noticed, though, is very rampant Chinese nationalism.  Virtually everybody I've talked to (where the subject has come up) seems to be obsessed with the notion of self-sacrifice for China, and the importance of doing anything one can to make China more powerful.  And of course, pretty much everyone is a staunch believer that, in the international realm at least, China can do no wrong.

Just like most Americans. It reminds me of the Daily Show, where the comedian Jon Stewart pointed out that the US was waterboarding its islamic prisioners in Gitmo, while it had hanged for war crimes the Japanese interrogators who did exactly the same thing to US prisioners during WW2. The other actor replied "but we're the US!", and the audience applauded wildly, agreeing with him (and not getting the point they were making).

P.S.: Renminbi - 'People's money'. It is denominated in yuan. Like the US currency is demnominated in dollars.

[Razgovory]

Those are countries not acts.

[grumbler]

Typical crude demagogery - trying to pin me for something I never did. Where, pray tell, did I call myself "the West" in the post?

Ironic words, coming from someone who just used "indignant," "horrified," "kowtow," and "fabulously deregulated!" 

I see you use "psychotic" and assume you are talking of yourself.  Maybe you aren't that self-aware, though, and are just resorting to yet more crude demagoguery.

[grumbler]

One way or another, the US takes an active stance on almost everything. Basically no nation on the planet can do anything without the US pronouncing its opinion about it, and often taking measures about it.

What was the phrase?  "Crude demagoguery?"  Indeed.