Newly powerful China defies Western nations

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jimmy olsen

Now who could have expected this! :o

We need a monocle popping smile for these situations.

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QuoteNewly powerful China defies Western nations

Analyst: 'This is a fundamental shift ... It's a change in national attitude'

By John Pomfret
The Washington Post
updated 4:57 a.m. ET March 15, 2010

BEIJING - China's government has embraced an increasingly anti-Western tone in recent months and is adopting policies across a wide spectrum that reflect a heightened fear of foreign influence.

The shift has accelerated as China has emerged stronger from the global financial meltdown, with a world-beating economic expansion rate and a growing nationalist movement. China has long felt bullied by the West, and its stronger stance is challenging the long-held assumption shared among Western and Chinese businessmen, academics and government officials that a more powerful and prosperous China would be more positively inclined toward Western values and systems.

China's shift is occurring throughout society, and is reflected in government policy and in a new attitude toward the West. Over the past year, the government of President Hu Jintao has rolled back market-oriented reforms by encouraging China's state-owned enterprises to forcibly buy private firms. In the past weeks, China announced plans to force Western companies to turn over their most sensitive technology and patents to Chinese competitors in exchange for access to the country's markets.
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Internally, it has carried out more arrests and indictments for endangering state security over the past two years than in the five-year period from 2003 to 2007, according to a report released Friday by the Dui Hua Foundation, a San Francisco-based human rights organization.

China has also reined in the news media and attempted to control the Internet more vigorously than in the past. This month, it announced regulations designed to make it harder for China's fledgling community of nongovernmental organizations to get financial support from overseas. In foreign affairs, after years of playing down differences, it has reverted to a tone not heard in more than a decade, condemning recent U.S. decisions to sell weapons to Taiwan and to have President Obama meet the exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama.

"This is a fundamental shift, and I've been here a long time," said James L. McGregor, a senior counselor with the public affairs firm Apco China. "It's a change in national attitude."

'Arrogance'
For their part, senior Chinese leaders bristle at the notion that China is turning away from reforms or is reluctant to cooperate with Western nations. In a news conference on Sunday, Premier Wen Jiabao said he was aware of "theories about China's arrogance, toughness and triumphalism," but rejected them. Asked about widespread criticism of China's hard-line position at the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, for example, Wen replied: "It still baffles me why some people continue to try to make an issue about China."

Nonetheless, China's legislature, whose annual session ended this weekend, also showed the trend toward toughness. With a reported 700,000 security personnel posted throughout the city for the 10-day session, Beijing was in a virtual lockdown. Inside the Great Hall of the People, the proposals — albeit spurious — put forward by the delegates to the National People's Congress included calls for all Internet cafes to be taken over by the government and a declaration that all cellphones should be equipped with surveillance cameras.

The shift does not bode well for U.S.-China relations. The Obama administration entered office with an ambitious China agenda comprising plans to cooperate on climate change, curbing the nuclear ambitions of Iran and North Korea, and stabilizing the global financial system. In China, those plans are generally viewed by the party leadership as a trap to overextend and weaken the country, according to a Chinese official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he would lose his job if his name were published.

In his news conference, Wen also seemed disinclined to bend to another American demand — that China allow its currency, the yuan, to appreciate against the dollar, which (theoretically) would boost U.S. exports. Wen countered that he didn't think the yuan is undervalued and that the U.S. method of seeking to enlarge exports through tweaking currency exchange rates is "protectionist."

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The change comes during what a leading Chinese economist, Hu Angang, in an interview called "the longest golden era in China since the opium wars" of the 1840s, when British warships forced China to open to trade. From its position as an impoverished, developing country, it has jumped into the ranks of the powerful.

But the closer China gets to a variety of firsts — No. 1 exporting nation and even No. 1 economy in the world — the more its government seems to exhibit a nagging insecurity and opposition to the West.

"The Chinese people are no longer embarrassed about being Chinese," said Wang Xiaodong, a leading nationalist writer who has co-authored a series of popular books with titles such as "China Is Unhappy," which capitalized on the growing anti-Western trend. "The time when China worshipped the West is over. We have a rightful sense of superiority."

"People are now looking down on the West, from leadership circles to academia to everyday folk," said Kang Xiaoguang, a professor at Renmin University who studies NGOs and Confucius.

Gettysburg Address
The turn away from the West is evidenced within China's leadership. China's previous president, Jiang Zemin, is widely thought to have been pro-American. He was fond of reciting the Gettysburg Address and crooning American songs. During a trip to the United States in 1997, he took the politically risky move of announcing that China welcomed continued U.S. engagement in Asia — including the stationing of American troops. On the other hand, Hu, who took power in 2002, is the first Communist leader with no experience outside the current system.

Other factors are at play. It is campaign season in Beijing. In two years, the leadership of the Communist Party will undergo a huge transition, with as many as seven of the nine seats of the Standing Committee of the Politburo — the center of power — up for grabs. Nothing looks better in China than being tough on the West.

Secondly, despite its apparent successes, China's leadership continues to be alarmed by international developments — such as the "color revolutions" inside the former Soviet Union — and domestic ones as well, such as the anti-Chinese riots in Tibet in 2008 and the northwest province of Xinjiang last year.

A recent example is how the party reacted to the threat by the Internet search company Google, which said it would leave the country if China continued to censor the Internet. Concerned about an outpouring of support in China for the American company, the Ministry of Propaganda framed the issue not as an argument over freedom but as part of a U.S. strategy to contain and isolate China.

On Friday, Li Yizhong, China's minister of industry and information technology, issued China's toughest statement on the dispute yet. "If you want to do something that disobeys Chinese law and regulations, you are unfriendly, you are irresponsible, and you will have to pay the consequences," he warned.

China's policy changes have met with opposition. Not all of its efforts to nationalize private companies have succeeded. And China's plans to compel Western businesses to share their technology have prompted a backlash from a community that does not like to criticize China openly. On that front, Wen on Sunday seemed to give in a little.

"I must say I am still not in very close touch with foreign businessmen doing work in China," he acknowledged. "In the next three years I will create more opportunities . . . to listen to your views."
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Quote from: Ed Anger on March 15, 2010, 09:47:38 AM
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It's a dangerous thing to buy into your own PR.  You would think that a nation with such a penchant for gambling would grasp the concept of overplaying one's hand.
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 15, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
It's a dangerous thing to buy into your own PR.  You would think that a nation with such a penchant for gambling would grasp the concept of overplaying one's hand.
Actually, overplaying one's hand is what gamblers, particularly Asian gamblers, do.

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Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2010, 11:07:02 AM
Are you talking about China or the US? :unsure:

The US has, with very few exceptions, historically grossly underplayed their hand.
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ITT: China wishes to stand up for its national interests. West is furious because Beijing does not kowtow to the obvious western superiority. Much indignation ensues.

Kleves

I, for one, am shocked that Obama's new policies have not improved relations with an aggressive foreign nation.
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Valmy

Quote from: Martim Silva on March 15, 2010, 11:13:05 AM
ITT: China wishes to stand up for its national interests. West is furious because Beijing does not kowtow to the obvious western superiority. Much indignation ensues.

Did you read the article?  Or just desire to spout your familiar brainless bullshit?

Anyway I fail to see why I should care if China wants to arrest people, roll back private industry, and flip out about local nationalist movements.  Those strike me as internal things and while I would probably want China to do things differently I guess I fail to feel like this is some sort of huge challenge to us outside the country.  If they want to feel superior to us, well they always have felt that way whether they want to admit it or not.

Besides correct me if I am wrong but cutting yourself off from the outside world and believing yourself superior is hardly some sort of threatening new Chinese policy.
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Valmy

Quote from: Kleves on March 15, 2010, 11:13:45 AM
I, for one, am shocked that Obama's new policies have not improved relations with an aggressive foreign nation.

Um...pulling back and seeing every bit of involvement in foreign affairs as a conspiracy to weaken China is being aggressive now?  What is your definition of passive?  Being completely comatose?
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Quote from: Valmy
Did you read the article?  Or just desire to spout your familiar brainless bullshit?

Yes I did. And I did not see anything that others - especially the US - did not do often in their Histories, and that many (incuding America) do today. The fact that these articles come out so often only show that westerners are psychotic, being horrified everytime China shows even just 1% of the assertiveness that the US has shown almost all the time in the last 65 years.

And I'll let "intelligent" people like yourself to try to figure out why your country - indeed, your entire bloc - is trying desperately to dig itself out of the gigantic economic hole created by your fabulously deregulated and so private and liberal financial system.

Quote from: Valmy
Besides correct me if I am wrong but cutting yourself off from the outside world and believing yourself superior is hardly some sort of threatening new Chinese policy.

You're right, it isn't new. That the media give it so much attention speaks volumes of the western hysteria about the emergence of a power that isn't in their own side.

And IIRC it was also rather similar to the American policies up until WW2, except for the trade bit.

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Quote from: Martim Silva on March 15, 2010, 11:38:57 AM
And I'll let "intelligent" people like yourself to try to figure out why your country - indeed, your entire bloc - is trying desperately to dig itself out of the gigantic economic hole created by your fabulously deregulated and so private and liberal financial system.

People borrowed money and couldn't pay it back. There, now we can get back to worrying about China.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 15, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: Martim Silva on March 15, 2010, 11:38:57 AM
And I'll let "intelligent" people like yourself to try to figure out why your country - indeed, your entire bloc - is trying desperately to dig itself out of the gigantic economic hole created by your fabulously deregulated and so private and liberal financial system.

People borrowed money and couldn't pay it back. There, now we can get back to worrying about China.
But you left out the failure of democracy and constitutional republics!
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