Obama to double down if Brown wins.

[grumbler]

I'd like to see how that question was actually worded.

We had this before.  The question was worded pretty straight.  "Do you think ACORN stole (helped to steal?)  the election for Obama."

We did go over this before but the question was not at all clear-cut: "Do you think that Barack Obama legitimately won the Presidential election last year, or do you think that ACORN stole it for him?"  The pretense here is that these are the only two possible outcomes, which is false.  If you think that Obama didn't "legitimately" win but don't even know what Acorn is, how do you vote?  You don't vote "don't know" because you do know.

As I pointed out at the time, this poll looks pretty crap to me.   

[Razgovory]

I don't think adding "I don't know" would make the poll any better.  Especially when you deal with crazy conspiracy theories which tend to buttress themselves with ignorance.  Sometimes "I don't know" is a valid answer (Do you think it will rain next week?), other times it just isn't (Do you think the earth is controlled by lizard people).

[Neil]

I don't think adding "I don't know" would make the poll any better.  Especially when you deal with crazy conspiracy theories which tend to buttress themselves with ignorance.  Sometimes "I don't know" is a valid answer (Do you think it will rain next week?), other times it just isn't (Do you think the earth is controlled by lizard people).

Yeah, but an election delivered by fraud isn't really all that crazy, given the extensive history of American electoral fraud.  These days it's far more difficult than at any time before, but within living memory of many voters there was an election that was won fraudulently (1960).

[Eddie Teach]

Yeah, but an election delivered by fraud isn't really all that crazy, given the extensive history of American electoral fraud.  These days it's far more difficult than at any time before, but within living memory of many voters there was an election that was won fraudulently (1960).

Not really. Kennedy didn't need Illinois.

[Neil]

Yeah, but an election delivered by fraud isn't really all that crazy, given the extensive history of American electoral fraud.  These days it's far more difficult than at any time before, but within living memory of many voters there was an election that was won fraudulently (1960).

Not really. Kennedy didn't need Illinois.

He needed Illinois and Texas.

[Fate]

Yeah, but an election delivered by fraud isn't really all that crazy, given the extensive history of American electoral fraud.  These days it's far more difficult than at any time before, but within living memory of many voters there was an election that was won fraudulently (1960).

Not really. Kennedy didn't need Illinois.

He needed Illinois and Texas.

He won Texas. Republicans didn't make inroads into the state until the 70s and 80s.

[Eddie Teach]

He needed Illinois and Texas.

No, he needed Illinois OR Texas. He won 303-219 with both.

[Neil]

He needed Illinois and Texas.

No, he needed Illinois OR Texas. He won 303-219 with both.

But those were the states that were fraudulently taken by the Democratic machine.

[garbon]

With 25% in...Go Brown!

[Caliga]

Brown up by 5% according to Fox News. 

[grumbler]

I don't think adding "I don't know" would make the poll any better.  Especially when you deal with crazy conspiracy theories which tend to buttress themselves with ignorance.  Sometimes "I don't know" is a valid answer (Do you think it will rain next week?), other times it just isn't (Do you think the earth is controlled by lizard people).

What would make the poll better would be to ask questions that can be answered in that format.  "Do you think it will rain next week, or do you think the earth is controlled by lizard people?" isn't a very good question for that format.  "Do you think Obama won the election legitimately? (Yes/No/Undecided)" would work.  If one is interested in following up on ACORN (rather than push-polling) one would then ask "If you answered no above, do you think his lack of legitimacy comes from ACORN's help? (yes/No/Undecided)"

The way the issue was actually push-polled, I think it is useless except to help stir up polemics.

[Razgovory]

I wonder if you can still pay him to take off his clothes after he's elected.

[garbon]

Brown up by 5% according to Fox News. 

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/01/19/2179148.aspx

[Caliga]

I wonder if you can still pay him to take off his clothes after he's elected.

Earlier I predicted that the gay vote would put him over the top. 

[garbon]

Earlier I predicted that the gay vote would put him over the top. 

I'm gay and I called my parents!