Obama to double down if Brown wins.

[Faeelin]

I wonder. It's a bit much to say that Obama's policies have had nothign to do with the Democrat loss in Massachussetts, and New Jersey, and Virginia.

While I can't say anything definitive on two of those states besides stuff everyone else already knows, I can assure you that Obama had nothing to do with New Jersey result.  Corzine was deeply unpopular on his own merits for far longer than Obama has been a president.  I think we let the morons on cable news networks dictate too much of a narrative.

Oh, being from Jersey I'm well aware. But how many times do Democrats have to lose before we say part of hte problem is Obama?

[derspiess]

This constant wondering about "Will Obama lasts - Is it Obama's death breat - Whaaa, when will somebody save us from Obama!" is getting really tiresome. 

So... to keep you happy we should only voice praise for Obama? 

[KRonn]

Whether or not Brown wins has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with the very poor campaign Coakley has run.

I wonder. It's a bit much to say that Obama's policies have had nothign to do with the Democrat loss in Massachussetts, and New Jersey, and Virginia.

As a resident of Massachusetts it seems quite clear to me that this election is at least as much to do with the national political scene and people's anger over it as anything with Coakley running a bad campaign. I'd say her bad campaign hurt her for sure, but isn't the worst of her problems, since a pretty well known Democrat like her (won the primaries against some decent Dems) should be doing quite well in this final election. I feel that the Democratic party leadership shouldn't continue finding too many other local reasons instead of putting some good blame on the national scene. Or keep ignoring national implications at their own folly. Even if Brown just does well that would be a good sized change for Massachusetts.

[Grallon]

So... to keep you happy we should only voice praise for Obama? 

A little less bad faith when criticizing his policies would please me better.




G.

[DGuller]

Oh, being from Jersey I'm well aware. But how many times do Democrats have to lose before we say part of hte problem is Obama?

After November we can say that.  However, even then, Obama's biggest fault would be being the target of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

[Caliga]

While I can't say anything definitive on two of those states besides stuff everyone else already knows, I can assure you that Obama had nothing to do with New Jersey result.  Corzine was deeply unpopular on his own merits for far longer than Obama has been a president.  I think we let the morons on cable news networks dictate too much of a narrative.

[derspiess]

So... to keep you happy we should only voice praise for Obama? 

A little less bad faith when criticizing his policies would please me better.

So I take it you feel guilty now for all your anti-Bush vitriol? 

[Grallon]

So I take it you feel guilty now for all your anti-Bush vitriol? 

Except that the Cheney Administration worked hard to deserve all the vitriol it got.   




G.

[Habbaku]

I'd like to see how that question was actually worded.

We had this before.  The question was worded pretty straight.  "Do you think ACORN stole (helped to steal?)  the election for Obama."

Is it impossible to think that ACORN might've engaged in voter fraud and attempted to steal the election without Obama actually needing them to win or having had any knowledge whatsoever of their activities?

[Fate]

I'd like to see how that question was actually worded.

We had this before.  The question was worded pretty straight.  "Do you think ACORN stole (helped to steal?)  the election for Obama."

Is it impossible to think that ACORN might've engaged in voter fraud and attempted to steal the election without Obama actually needing them to win or having had any knowledge whatsoever of their activities?

ACORN provided Obama with victory. There's no question about it. I saw it on FOXNEWS.

[Admiral Yi]

Is it impossible to think that ACORN might've engaged in voter fraud and attempted to steal the election without Obama actually needing them to win or having had any knowledge whatsoever of their activities?

Eminently possible.  But that's not what the survey question asked.

[Eddie Teach]

While I can't say anything definitive on two of those states besides stuff everyone else already knows, I can assure you that Obama had nothing to do with New Jersey result.  Corzine was deeply unpopular on his own merits for far longer than Obama has been a president.  I think we let the morons on cable news networks dictate too much of a narrative.

And an upstate New York house race was part of that narrative until the Democrats won and it was conveniently forgotten.

[Fate]

While I can't say anything definitive on two of those states besides stuff everyone else already knows, I can assure you that Obama had nothing to do with New Jersey result.  Corzine was deeply unpopular on his own merits for far longer than Obama has been a president.  I think we let the morons on cable news networks dictate too much of a narrative.

And an upstate New York house race was part of that narrative until the Democrats won and it was conveniently forgotten.

NY23 was a victory for conservatives. It proved that the Tea Party Movement will define our generation of politics similar to civil rights activists of the 60s.

[Savonarola]

While on a personal level I'd find this kind of fortitude admirable if he actually goes through with it, I don't think it's smart politics. If he couldn't sell his plan to the liberal population of Massachusetts what makes him so confident that he can successfully recalibrate and sell his message to the voters while at the same time convincing spooked blue dogs and/or disgusted progressives to vote for the current health care bill?

It's brilliant politics.  If the bill fails nothing bad comes of it, health care remains broken and Barack can blame the Republicans.  The Republicans would be better off if Coakley won, or if they didn't filibuster; that way whatever problems there are with the bill become the fault of the Democrats and can be exploited in the next election cycle.

[Barrister]

It's brilliant politics.  If the bill fails nothing bad comes of it, health care remains broken and Barack can blame the Republicans.

It didn't work for Clinton in '93-'94.  The Republicans blocked health care Reform, and were rewarded with a Congressional majority.