Health insurance bill passes the house

[jimmy olsen]

Hard to see how this will work, but looks like it's going to become a reality.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33748707/ns/politics-health_care_reform/

Landmark health insurance bill passes House
Tough fight still ahead in Senate, and two versions have wide differences

  updated 12:18 a.m. ET Nov. 8, 2009

WASHINGTON - Triumphant Democrats passed landmark health care legislation in the House late Saturday night, spurred by a summons from President Barack Obama to "answer the call of history" and expand coverage to millions who lack it.

The final vote was a narrow 220-215. Only one Republican — Rep. Joseph Cao of Louisiana — voted for the measure; 39 Democrats voted against it.

Earlier, the House approved an abortion amendment and rejected a Republican substitute for the legislation, paving the way to final passage.

The passage of the bill was an exhilarating victory for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and for President Barack Obama.

But the Senate has yet to begin floor debate on its own version of insurance reform. That debate may be weeks away, with Senate Democratic leaders still negotiating over the details of their legislation.

If the Senate enacts its bill, conferees from House and Senate would then meet to negotiate a final compromise measure.

That compromise would then need to be voted on by the House and Senate.

So Democratic members from Republican-leaning districts who cast a difficult vote Saturday night for the House bill will face yet another tough vote in several weeks.

"It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it," said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.

In the runup to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.

The vote added to the Democratic bill an amendment sponsored by Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., and others, that prohibits individuals who receive insurance subsidies from purchasing any plan that pays for elective abortions.

House Democratic leaders agreed Friday night to allow a floor vote on the Stupak amendment to the bill in order to win the support of about three dozen Democrats who feared that the original bill would have subsidized abortions.

Ironically, the abortion vote only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for the conservative Democrats to vote for it.

A cheer went up from the Democratic side of the House when the bill gained 218 votes, a majority. Moments later, Democrats counted down the final seconds of the voting period in unison, and and let loose an even louder roar when Pelosi grabbed the gavel and declared, "the bill is passed.'

From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, "We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system."

Nearly united in opposition to the health care bill, minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

"We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, `this is making me sick,'" jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing "a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding" bill.

But with little or no doubt about the outcome, the rhetoric lacked the fire of last summer's town hall meetings, when some critics accused Democrats of plotting "death panels" to hasten the demise of senior citizens.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation's eligible population having insurance.

To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacked two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink was far from clear.

Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year's congressional elections.

The nation's drug companies generally support health care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.

Overall, the bill envisioned the most sweeping set of changes to the health care system in more than a generation, and Democrats said it marked the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.

Debate on the House floor had already begun when Obama strode into a closed-door meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to them to pass his top domestic priority.

Later, in an appearance at the White House, he said he had told lawmakers, "to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health insurance reform for America."

Participants also said Obama had referred to this week's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, in which 13 people were killed. His remarks put in perspective that the hardships soldiers endure for the country are "what sacrifice really is," as opposed to "casting a vote that might lose an election for you," said Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J.

It appeared that the compromise brokered Friday night on the volatile issue of abortion had finally secured the votes needed to pass the legislation.

As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest, rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.

But abortion foes won far stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. It would also ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.

Disappointed Democratic abortion rights supporters grumbled about the turn of events, but appeared to pull back quickly from any thought of opposing the health care bill in protest.

One, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., detailed numerous other benefits for women in the bill, including free medical preventive services and better prescription drug coverage under Medicare. "Women need health care reform," she concluded in remarks on the House floor.

Republicans offered an alternative that relied heavily on loosening regulations on private insurers to reduce costs for those who currently have insurance, in some cases by as much as 10 percent. But congressional budget analysts said the plan would make no dent in the ranks of the uninsured, an assessment that highlighted the difference in priorities between the two political parties.

It fell by a near party line vote of 258-176.

Msnbc.com's Tom Curry contributed to this report from The Associated Press.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Pelosi seems intent on organizing a Democratic defeat in the mid terms.  Obama, of course, couldn't agree more.

[CountDeMoney]

Meh...when it's all said and done, by the time it's watered down to virtually nothing, it'll be back to business as usual for everyone getting raped by doctors, insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry in a big ol' Venn diagram of assfucking the public.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

However, that part does not break my heart.

[Admiral Yi]

Anyone know why 4% are left uncovered?  Is that a forecast of the people that will opt out and pay the penalty?

[CountDeMoney]

Anyone know why 4% are left uncovered?  Is that a forecast of the people that will opt out and pay the penalty?

Illegal population?

[merithyn]

This is going to incredibly hard on a lot of people, I think. The requirement to buy insurance will be what kills this for a whole lot of people.

It's not like car insurance. If you can't afford car insurance, you can just not drive and take public transportation. With this, you're smacked with a penalty, and no real options if you fall into the gap between what the government says you can afford and what you actually can afford.

[Admiral Yi]

Meh...when it's all said and done, by the time it's watered down to virtually nothing, it'll be back to business as usual for everyone getting raped by doctors, insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry in a big ol' Venn diagram of assfucking the public.

Are you implying there was or is something in the full strength, unwatered version that would have prevented or ameliorated said rape?

[DGuller]

Pelosi seems intent on organizing a Democratic defeat in the mid terms.  Obama, of course, couldn't agree more.

By doing what they were elected to do?  I don't get this.  WTF are Democrats supposed to do to stay elected, act like Republicans?

In any case, even if it is true, it's better to be voted out for doing what you promised to do, rather than be voted out for not doing what you promised to do.

[Fate]

This is going to incredibly hard on a lot of people, I think. The requirement to buy insurance will be what kills this for a whole lot of people.

It's not like car insurance. If you can't afford car insurance, you can just not drive and take public transportation. With this, you're smacked with a penalty, and no real options if you fall into the gap between what the government says you can afford and what you actually can afford.

You won't be able to receive health care from emergency rooms without paying for it anymore. Crying shame, I tell ya. I swear, if we have to give up that plasma and XBox 360...

[Syt]

Anyone know why 4% are left uncovered?  Is that a forecast of the people that will opt out and pay the penalty?

Amish?

[CountDeMoney]

Meh...when it's all said and done, by the time it's watered down to virtually nothing, it'll be back to business as usual for everyone getting raped by doctors, insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry in a big ol' Venn diagram of assfucking the public.

Are you implying there was or is something in the full strength, unwatered version that would have prevented or ameliorated said rape?

I'll use the Yi Strategy, and answer a question with a question, OK?

[citizen k]

Crying shame, I tell ya. I swear, if we have to give up that plasma and XBox 360...

That probably wouldn't even come close to covering the bill.

[Razgovory]

Pelosi seems intent on organizing a Democratic defeat in the mid terms.  Obama, of course, couldn't agree more.

By doing what they were elected to do?  I don't get this.  WTF are Democrats supposed to do to stay elected, act like Republicans?

In any case, even if it is true, it's better to be voted out for doing what you promised to do, rather than be voted out for not doing what you promised to do.

Obama has lost the votes of alot of people who already hate him in doing this.

[DisturbedPervert]

Anyone know why 4% are left uncovered?  Is that a forecast of the people that will opt out and pay the penalty?

Penalty?  How much is that?  How is it enforced?

[Jaron]

In jan 1, 2010, all US monies must be exchanged for Obama Dollars