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Started by Grallon, October 27, 2009, 07:38:45 AM

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Who will get te shot?

North American: Yes
North American: No
European: Yes
European: No
Asian: Yes
Asian: No
Other: Yes
Other: No

citizen k

QuoteIn Europe, most swine flu shots by invitation only
By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer

LONDON – In Britain, there are no long lines of people seeking swine flu vaccine. Doctor's offices aren't swamped with desperate calls. And there are no cries of injustice that the vaccine is going to wealthy corporations or healthy people who don't really need it.

Here, and across most of Europe, vaccine to protect against the pandemic flu is mostly given by invitation only to those at highest risk for flu complications.

"That is one of the great advantages of the British health system," said Dr. Steve Field, president of the Royal College of General Physicians. "We have a list of all the names of patients who qualify to be vaccinated."

When Britain unrolled its pandemic vaccination program last month, it designed its campaign to ensure that priority groups — including pregnant women, health workers and those with chronic health problems like diabetes, cancer and AIDS — get the shots first.

Instead of advertising that vaccine had arrived and waiting for the lines to form, Britain's National Health Service sent letters, inviting all those who qualify to make an appointment and get the shots first.

Field said Britain's socialized health care system allows the country to target people who need to be vaccinated quickly: "It's not like the U.S., where it's the survival of the fittest and the richest."

Just this week, Americans learned that Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup got swine flu vaccine, even as many doctor's offices and community clinics still had none. The companies obtained the vaccine through standard procedures, and it was targeted to employees who met criteria for vaccination. But the perception of unfairness set off an outcry.

In the United Kingdom, the general population will be offered the shot after priority groups have been taken care of, probably in about two months. For now, only children with health problems are a priority; healthy children are not.

Similar programs are being carried out in other European countries, all of which have socialized medicine:

• In Germany, doctors have also been contacting high-priority patients to come in for their swine flu shot, though other people who have asked for one have not been turned away.

• In Sweden, Denmark and Finland, some local governments are sending invitations to people in high-risk groups or posting information about vaccine availability on their Web sites.

• So far, France is only vaccinating health care workers. Its health minister said 6 million people in priority groups would start getting invitations to be vaccinated next week.

In North America, swine flu vaccination has largely been a free-for-all, although some U.S. states have recently beefed up their screening process to ensure pregnant women, children and people with health problems get shots before healthy older people.

In Canada, which has a form of socialized medicine, health officials began an investigation this week after professional hockey and basketball players got the vaccine ahead of thousands of children.

Another trend has also affected the trans-Atlantic vaccination picture: While Americans and Canadians appear to be clamoring for the vaccine, many Europeans appear indifferent.

Verona Hall, a London-based midwife, said that among her dozens of pregnant patients none has accepted the invitation to take the shot. The reluctance among pregnant women stems in part from fears the vaccine could hurt their babies, but other priority groups have also shown little interest in the flu shot.

Hall herself recently received a text message asking her to book an appointment to get the vaccine. She declined. "It just doesn't seem that serious here," she said. "Maybe if there are a lot more cases, more people will consider having it. But right now it isn't a priority."

British officials estimate there have been more than 600,000 swine flu cases since the virus was identified in April. In the U.S., experts say there have been millions.

In the U.S., the federal government is paying for the vaccine and rationing supplies to each state. Then state and local health departments decide where it goes next — from schools to doctor's offices to community health clinics and even some large companies with health directors.

On Thursday, the director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention wrote to local health departments, asking them to ensure the vaccine is getting to high-risk groups first. Dr. Thomas Frieden warned that decisions that appear to send vaccine beyond high-priority groups "have the potential to undermine the credibility of the program."

Lenny Marcus, a public health expert at Harvard University, said the anxiety among Americans about vaccine shortages may have a snowball effect.

Early on, U.S. officials predicted there would be 120 million vaccine doses available by October. They later slashed that estimate, and as of this week there were only about 38 million doses in the country.

"When people believe there's a shortage, that increases demand," Marcus said. "The images of people lining up for hours to get the vaccine, which is in short supply, has a big impact. ... Parents with kids may suddenly be desperate to get them immunized."

In contrast, there are no pictures in the British tabloids of crowded clinics. And the Department of Health won't reveal how many doses are available, saying only that enough vaccine to cover the entire population — 60 million people — had been ordered.

For now, the biggest problem confronting Britain's vaccination effort is not a shortage or public demand. In recent weeks, postal strikes have delayed delivery of about 35 million letters. Health officials worry that high-risk patients waiting for their swine flu vaccine invitation letters might never get them.

"The timing isn't great," said Field, adding doctors would also be telephoning or sending patients text messages if they qualified to get a swine flu vaccine. "So far we have not had a lot of terribly anxious people here."

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Associated Press writers Kirsten Grieshaber in Berlin, Ian MacDougall in Oslo and Karl Ritter in Stockholm contributed to this report.

First bolded sentence is Orwellian, second is hyperbole.


Martim Silva

Quote from: citizen k on November 06, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
In Europe, most swine flu shots by invitation only

And in Portugal, they are not only by invitation, but only to the most vital members of society.


Which is why all the politicians were added to the 'priority' list, in front even of the children.  :mad:

Drakken

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 06, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
Thanks for the well wishes everyone.  The worst is over and she is recovering.  Had a bit of a scare but everything is ok now.

I'm relieved... :)

Hopefully her situation will stabilize in the next 48 hours.

Faeelin


Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: citizen k on November 06, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
First bolded sentence is Orwellian, second is hyperbole.

No doubt people can go private if they are really desperate for the jab. I find the lack of hysteria here in the UK quite a relief, perhaps we haven't totally lost it after all.

Valdemar

CK are you considering getting the shot?

V

Ed Anger

Quote"It's not like the U.S., where it's the survival of the fittest and the richest."

lolz.
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Quote"It's not like the U.S., where it's the survival of the fittest and the richest."

:rolleyes:

Only winners in a Thunderdome can get the jab.

Grey Fox

I have a cold.

Still flu free. No vaccine.
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Grallon

Quote from: Grey Fox on November 07, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
I have a cold.

Still flu free. No vaccine.

Do you intend to keep a tally every fucking day until dec 7th?



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Barrister

They finally have the adjuvant-free vaccine for my wife, so we went down to the vaccination clinic.

The line-up was miniscule compared to the day I went.

However...

when my wife is sitting with the nurse, moments from getting the shot, this young girl(maybe 13) sitting only 10' away from us, promptly faints and with a loud "thunk" hits her head on the floor.  The nurses did the best they could to keep everyone calm, and said apparently the girl has quite the phobia from needles, but still 20 minutes later when we were leaving the paramedics had been called, and the girl was still on the floor.   :(
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Drakken

Quote from: Barrister on November 07, 2009, 08:22:36 PM
However...

when my wife is sitting with the nurse, moments from getting the shot, this young girl(maybe 13) sitting only 10' away from us, promptly faints and with a loud "thunk" hits her head on the floor.  The nurses did the best they could to keep everyone calm, and said apparently the girl has quite the phobia from needles, but still 20 minutes later when we were leaving the paramedics had been called, and the girl was still on the floor.   :(

Wow, that's one hell of a vagal shock due to trypanophobia. :huh:

HisMajestyBOB

Did they inject her while she was out?
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citizen k

Quote from: Valdemar on November 07, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
CK are you considering getting the shot?

V

No, although I might ask if my doctor thinks I should.