Friends, foes mark WWII’s beginning in Poland

[Valmy]

In theory its a perfect society.

Whose theory of Communism are we going with here?

[HVC]

In theory it's theft,

Meh. There's no "moral" way to distribute wealth, society just chooses the one that works best.

and communism isn't the best way lol

[Martinus]

I love how people still cling to the idiocy that communism was "good in theory".

Both communism and nazism/fascism sought to build a "perfect society" - that's the staple of any totalitarian system. They both also sought to physically destroy those who were standing in the way of this perfect society.

Incidentally, Holocaust was not a part of the "nazism theory" any more than gulags were part of the "communism theory".

[Eddie Teach]

and communism isn't the best way lol

Agreed. Regulated free-market capitalism with progressive taxation and social safety nets is the best we've come up with so far.

[Zanza]

But worse than a totalitarian dictatorship?
No.

Duh. As communism is totalitarian dictatorship that comparison does not make any sense.

[Zanza]

Incidentally, Holocaust was not a part of the "nazism theory" any more than gulags were part of the "communism theory".

I disagree with that assessment. Genocide is a core tenet of Nazism, whereas it is only coincidental with Communism.

[Syt]

But worse than a totalitarian dictatorship?
No.

Duh. As communism is totalitarian dictatorship that comparison does not make any sense.

You mean proletarian dictatorship.

[Berkut]

Gulags are party of the neo-con theory.

[Josquius]

But worse than a totalitarian dictatorship?
No.

Duh. As communism is totalitarian dictatorship that comparison does not make any sense.

No its not. There's no government let alone a totalitarian one.

[Zanza]

No its not. There's no government let alone a totalitarian one.

There may not be a government (even if that's completely impractical), but even the egalitarian utopia of communism is still totalitarian and a dictatorship.

[Josquius]

No its not. There's no government let alone a totalitarian one.

There may not be a government (even if that's completely impractical), but even the egalitarian utopia of communism is still totalitarian and a dictatorship.

How do you figure?
Its the complete opposite. Total freedom and democracy.

[Martinus]

Incidentally, Holocaust was not a part of the "nazism theory" any more than gulags were part of the "communism theory".

I disagree with that assessment. Genocide is a core tenet of Nazism, whereas it is only coincidental with Communism.

Only if you define genocide as to include ethnic cleansing meant as forced resettlements and the like, without actually killing the people.

[Martinus]

But worse than a totalitarian dictatorship?
No.

Duh. As communism is totalitarian dictatorship that comparison does not make any sense.

No its not. There's no government let alone a totalitarian one.

No serious attempt at implementing communism ever made embraced its anarchist variety. If you want to perceive Bakunin-style anarchism as "communism in theory", then by the same token a bucolic corporatist folksy utopia embraced by some fringe catholic loons is "fascism in theory".

[Josquius]

No serious attempt at implementing communism ever made embraced its anarchist variety. If you want to perceive Bakunin-style anarchism as "communism in theory", then by the same token a bucolic corporatist folksy utopia embraced by some fringe catholic loons is "fascism in theory".

We're not talking about communism in practice. Just what it is in theory.
And as you should well know being a child of a communist education system the 'communist' countries were not in fact communist at all, merely socialist half-way stages that had to fill in the gaps before the world was ready for its happy flower-land communist utopia.

Anyway.
We're getting away from the point here.
Hitlerism==Nazism (yeah there was a party before him but it was both a non-entity and little to do with its later self)
Stalinism != communism. Eastern block governments even != communism. Its a much broader category and doesn't always mean evil.

[Zanza]

How do you figure?
Its the complete opposite. Total freedom and democracy.

Egalitarism and liberty are exclusive in their extremes. Your totally egalitarian society can't be free. That's impossible. Just consider freedom of property. Does not exist in a communist society, ergo it is not free. Or freedom to change to a system that has freedom of property. Does not exist. That's a dictatorship as people can't exercise their political opinions freely.

The theory of communism even goes so far to prescribe a certain philosophical mindset that all members of society must have. Which happens to be contrary to human nature. That makes it totalitarian.