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Lucidor

#75
August 20, 2009, 08:21:15 AM
What's the name of the upcoming AGEOD game?

The Minsky Moment

#76
August 20, 2009, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 19, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Even in the Victoria timeframe some degree of consolidation was possible.   Savoy went on to unify Italy and gain a few minor colonies, for the biggest example I can think of. 

Piedmont went from being a minor regional power to a being either a strong regional power or a very weak great power.  That's a pretty exceptional case dependent on exceptional circumstances. 

QuoteTiny Belgium managed to gain some significant colonies for another.

They got the Congo mainly because France and Britain really didn't want the other to get it and Belgium was a good compromise since they were totally innocuous and had good relations with both competing powers.

I don't see a problem with a game design that allows small powers to get a few colonies through determined effort and diplomacy.  But if Belgium is generating more economic production than France, it is a problem.
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Valmy

#77
August 20, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 19, 2009, 03:41:38 PM
Yeah, rather than moving the ending back they should have moved the beginning up to 1795.

I think any Victoria game needs to start right after Greek and South American Independence.  Starting with the Spanish and Ottoman Empires intact is as silly as starting EU with the Byzantine Empire still in existance...oh wait.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

#78
August 20, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 20, 2009, 07:43:01 AM
In an odd way. The year is 1836 and we have Italy, Germany, and Turkey on the map. Those could be regions rather than countries, but then we also have Sweden on the map. :huh:

It is obviously the regions of the map and not countries.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Ed Anger

#79
August 20, 2009, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
start right after Greek  Independence. 

I WILL RESTORE THE EMPIRE!
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The Minsky Moment

#80
August 20, 2009, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 20, 2009, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
start right after Greek  Independence. 

I WILL RESTORE THE EMPIRE!

The Pelopennesian League is mobilizing!
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alfred russel

#81
August 20, 2009, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 20, 2009, 07:43:01 AM
In an odd way. The year is 1836 and we have Italy, Germany, and Turkey on the map. Those could be regions rather than countries, but then we also have Sweden on the map. :huh:

It is obviously the regions of the map and not countries.

Wierd regions then. Beta comment #1: rename sweden scandanavia.
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DGuller

#82
August 20, 2009, 10:46:26 AM
Yeah, if those are region names, then they're not very well chosen.  Hungary should be Balkans, Poland should be Estern Europe, Turkey should be Asia Minor, etc.

Valmy

#83
August 20, 2009, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 20, 2009, 10:46:26 AM
Yeah, if those are region names, then they're not very well chosen.  Hungary should be Balkans, Poland should be Estern Europe, Turkey should be Asia Minor, etc.

Those are not geographical regions either.  Those are regions where people of that particular nationality live.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

KRonn

#84
August 20, 2009, 11:24:51 AM
I especially like tweaking and working with the economy system in Vicky:Revs. I hope the economic aspect is made even more engrossing, more added to it, though I don't have any good ideas. After all, economy is what drives what you can do elsewhere in the game.

Tamas

#85
August 20, 2009, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on August 20, 2009, 08:21:15 AM
What's the name of the upcoming AGEOD game?

Vainglory of Nations

Barrister

#86
August 20, 2009, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 20, 2009, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 19, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Even in the Victoria timeframe some degree of consolidation was possible.   Savoy went on to unify Italy and gain a few minor colonies, for the biggest example I can think of. 

Piedmont went from being a minor regional power to a being either a strong regional power or a very weak great power.  That's a pretty exceptional case dependent on exceptional circumstances. 

QuoteTiny Belgium managed to gain some significant colonies for another.

They got the Congo mainly because France and Britain really didn't want the other to get it and Belgium was a good compromise since they were totally innocuous and had good relations with both competing powers.

I don't see a problem with a game design that allows small powers to get a few colonies through determined effort and diplomacy.  But if Belgium is generating more economic production than France, it is a problem.

Well then I'm not sure we're disagreeing.  We agree a tiny country shouldn't be able to best a major power over the short period of the game, but that things shouldn't be static either.
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The Brain

#87
August 20, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
Will there be any swastikas?
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jimmy olsen

#88
August 20, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
Hitler must be very pleased!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3UcdONzp1k
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Valmy

#89
August 20, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 20, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
Hitler must be very pleased!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3UcdONzp1k

Wow they have Hitler videos about everything now don't they?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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