Victoria 2

[Caliga]

Map sucks

[garbon]

Tamas is also an AGEOD fanboi although it is hard to see how one could ever become such...

[DGuller]

The p-dox comments suggest that pop promotion will be automated or at least automatable.

IIRC nonlinearity was a function of engine limitations and the need to meet relatively low system requirements as of the date of release.  I would expect (hope?) that it would not be retained in the sequel.

I'm not sure that was the case.  I think the non-linearity was there to give low-population European countries a boost over high population uncivilized ones.

[Razgovory]

Plus, the new reforms and stuff: again, Paradox' biggest shortcoming is being Swedish: they ignore naval matters, and they think the entire political development thing is as easy as "go reformist and democratic asap -> profit" It did not work that way, just look at two major players of the era, Austria and Russia, for whom selection was between (limited or total) authocracy or doom, due to the etnhic and economical setup of their countries.
They may address this in Vicky 2, but they failed to mention it among the features.

Hungary still hasn't made that leap

[Tamas]

Tamas is also an AGEOD fanboi although it is hard to see how one could ever become such...

Oh please Like I did not defend EU3 against the storm of nostalgic elderly people here. If I have any subjective opposition against Vicky2, it is the fact that it is not CK2, the current #1 on my dream list.

And my point was sort of that adding new reforms, if not coupled with a big overhaul of the whole system is just a waste of energy because there was no lack of reforms in Vicky1, there was the opposite: too much and too early effect of them.

[garbon]

Didn't you have some complaint about two companies working on the same time period (like two WWI's or something like that)? Am I making this up?

[Tamas]

yes, I did say that AGEOD and Pdox should not be competing for the same time period at the same time. The genre is badly supplied even without the only two publisher making the same kind of game.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm not sure that was the case.  I think the non-linearity was there to give low-population European countries a boost over high population uncivilized ones.

I know that is why some fans favor it, but I don't recall the designers ever using that rationale.

If so, it is a terrible, TERRIBLE idea as the ahistorical attemtps to create Great Powers from pygmies is hardly something that should be encouraged by the game structure if avoidable.

[The Minsky Moment]

yes, I did say that AGEOD and Pdox should not be competing for the same time period at the same time.

But the AGEOD product seems to very different in everything other than time period and the fact that it is a strategy game.

[Josquius]

AGEOD?

[jimmy olsen]

As much fun as I had playing Vicky and its expansion, and as much work I invested in it as a beta tester (Victoria was the first Paradox game I was chosen to beta. Oh the joy when I learned I was selected), this sequel is a bad idea.

They need to fundamentally brake the original design and move it toward EU3ism to make it worthwile, but considering all the stuff (much-much less randomness is permitted here than in EU3), it has to be a masterpiece, or it will fail.
And the 1936 thing - it is horrible. The entire reason WW1 was fought the way it was due to the fact that while the ruling class continued to play its post-napoleonic power plays, massive changes occured "under the hood". This is a bad idea.

Yeah, rather than moving the ending back they should have moved the beginning up to 1795.

[Sahib]

Map sucks

They're apparently using HoI3 map as a base 

[Valmy]

Great news!  I loved the Victoria era but I was a little frustrated with the game.  I hope it is better this time around.

[Warspite]

Hm, I remember doing a lot of work for the Victoria beta (with Hortlund as my immediate supervisor ). I'll certainly apply for the beta this time round, I'm sitting on top of a treasure trove of Victorian historical material.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah, rather than moving the ending back they should have moved the beginning up to 1795.

Problem is that then a game about the era of industrialization runs for about 50 years before there is much in the way of significant industralization in most places.

IMO it makes more sense to sweep in 1921-1935 than the whole French revolutionary/Napoleonic epoch.