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Started by Liep, August 19, 2009, 02:04:54 AM

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Caliga

CAL'S TWO CENTS

1.  If Johan is going to make posts like that one, someone needs to kindly ask him from refraining from posting at all, aside from announcing new patches.

2.  Nice to see OHGamer is still a pile of dog shit. :)
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grumbler

It is rather astonishing how thoroughly Paradox has managed to squander the enormous good will they had accumulated with their early releases.  Up through HoI2, I pretty much bought everything they made, knowing that (1) they would fix any problems, and (2) that their design philosophy was enough like my playing philosophy that even a somewhat broken game would still be fun.

Nowadays, I view them with considerable suspicion, both o the grounds that I don't know if they will fix broken games, and I don't know if the design will be fun even if they do.  I got EU3 complete on sale, and that's been it.

That's quite a change.
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Remember when languish had a rule about not slagging off paradox forum folk? :D
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Caliga

Quote from: Tyr on December 14, 2009, 08:09:40 AM
Remember when languish had a rule about not slagging off paradox forum folk? :D
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Josephus

Quote from: Tyr on December 14, 2009, 08:09:40 AM
Remember when languish had a rule about not slagging off paradox forum folk? :D

That's a bit like the church making  a rule to not slag homos. :lmfao: :lmfao:
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Jaron

I recall we had a rule about not criticizing paradox mods or their decisions a long time ago. I think the reasoning was we didnt want this to become the forum people ran to and complain when they got banned. Whoever was admin at the time wanted good relations with Paradox and didnt want this place to become another tomatocow or something.
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Valmy

Quote from: Tyr on December 14, 2009, 08:09:40 AM
Remember when languish had a rule about not slagging off paradox forum folk? :D

It made sense at the time.  Now only a minority of the people here still care about Paradox or their games if they ever did.
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Oh wait, yes that does sound familiar.  :blush:
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Vricklund

Quote from: Josephus on December 13, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
I'll agree that "because I said so" is poor public relations, as is banning discussion of a game mechanic.

That being said I could care less what one particular POP is called.  In particular if the concern is that it might seem out of place in an ahistorical 19th century communist state I couldn't give one wet fart.

Sometimes the proper response from a game company *is* to simple ignore what a few hardcore fans demand.

Agreed in principle. That said, we're talking about one line of programming code to make the game a bit more realistic. The whinger is right. If Nation=Secular than Clerics=Scholars.

So simple even an arts major can do :-)
I don't care what they call it. In old Victoria the base ideology of your clergy pops was socialist in nations with equity as national value. No one seemed to mind then and I don't think any mod ever "fixed" it. The whole issue is obviously blown out of proportion. But then again, it wouldn't be the paradox forum if it wasn't.

The map is still ugly though. :)

Razgovory

Quote from: Jaron on December 14, 2009, 08:48:50 AM
I recall we had a rule about not criticizing paradox mods or their decisions a long time ago. I think the reasoning was we didnt want this to become the forum people ran to and complain when they got banned. Whoever was admin at the time wanted good relations with Paradox and didnt want this place to become another tomatocow or something.

Thank God for that.

I've stuck with Paradox longer then most.  I actually enjoy EUIII, but I honestly can't see anything good coming from a remake of a game that didn't work right after another game that doesn't work.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Vricklund on December 14, 2009, 09:03:10 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 13, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
I'll agree that "because I said so" is poor public relations, as is banning discussion of a game mechanic.

That being said I could care less what one particular POP is called.  In particular if the concern is that it might seem out of place in an ahistorical 19th century communist state I couldn't give one wet fart.

Sometimes the proper response from a game company *is* to simple ignore what a few hardcore fans demand.

Agreed in principle. That said, we're talking about one line of programming code to make the game a bit more realistic. The whinger is right. If Nation=Secular than Clerics=Scholars.

So simple even an arts major can do :-)
I don't care what they call it. In old Victoria the base ideology of your clergy pops was socialist in nations with equity as national value. No one seemed to mind then and I don't think any mod ever "fixed" it. The whole issue is obviously blown out of proportion. But then again, it wouldn't be the paradox forum if it wasn't.

The map is still ugly though. :)
There were Christian Socialists that were quite far to the left economically, it's not implausible that their thinking could have gained a bigger following. Atheist Marxist clergy is something else though.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: Jaron on December 14, 2009, 08:48:50 AM
I recall we had a rule about not criticizing paradox mods or their decisions a long time ago. I think the reasoning was we didnt want this to become the forum people ran to and complain when they got banned. Whoever was admin at the time wanted good relations with Paradox and didnt want this place to become another tomatocow or something.

Thank God for that.

I've stuck with Paradox longer then most.  I actually enjoy EUIII, but I honestly can't see anything good coming from a remake of a game that didn't work right after another game that doesn't work.
I really like Victoria, I guess I'm in the minority.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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PDH

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 14, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
I really like Victoria, I guess I'm in the minority.
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Syt

Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2009, 08:06:55 AM
It is rather astonishing how thoroughly Paradox has managed to squander the enormous good will they had accumulated with their early releases.  Up through HoI2, I pretty much bought everything they made, knowing that (1) they would fix any problems, and (2) that their design philosophy was enough like my playing philosophy that even a somewhat broken game would still be fun.

Nowadays, I view them with considerable suspicion, both o the grounds that I don't know if they will fix broken games, and I don't know if the design will be fun even if they do.  I got EU3 complete on sale, and that's been it.

That's quite a change.

I have to agree, though it took me longer to come around (EU:Rome). While it used to be a given that P'dox games were dodgy at release but would be fixed quickly, it's now a given to wait for an expansion or two and their patches. The attitude displayed by the devs doesn't help much, either.
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