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[Jacob]

It is similar here - public pools are reserved for classes and the like some hours, and are open to the general public other hours. Sometimes the hours are segregated by use - some hours only serious swimming of laps is allowed, others families can bring the kids to play.

Having a seperate set of segregations based on sex would cut down on what hours are available.

I don't think it's unreasonable to carve off some gender specific time slots if they have "no kids" times or other scheduled times as well.  If there's a "everyone can use the pool at all times" policy, fair enough, then you have an even handed argument against gender segregation at times.  On the other hand if you have things like "this time is booked by a school, you can't go" and "this time, no kids allowed and at once a week, this pool is 'seniors only'" and so on, then I don't think it's reasonable to say that times with gender segregation should be disallowed because it's inconvenient for some people.  If access is limited in various ways to cater to the desires of the community then the desire of those in the community who would like gender segregation should be similarly accommodated, assuming they have the numbers to justify it.

It is similar here - public pools are reserved for classes and the like some hours, and are open to the general public other hours. Sometimes the hours are segregated by use - some hours only serious swimming of laps is allowed, others families can bring the kids to play.

Having a seperate set of segregations based on sex would cut down on what hours are available.

[Valmy]

I don't think it's unreasonable to carve off some gender specific time slots if they have "no kids" times or other scheduled times as well.  If there's a "everyone can use the pool at all times" policy, fair enough, then you have an even handed argument against gender segregation at times.  On the other hand if you have things like "this time is booked by a school, you can't go" and "this time, no kids allowed and at once a week, this pool is 'seniors only'" and so on, then I don't think it's reasonable to say that times with gender segregation should be disallowed because it's inconvenient for some people.  If access is limited in various ways to cater to the desires of the community then the desire of those in the community who would like gender segregation should be similarly accommodated, assuming they have the numbers to justify it.

It is similar here - public pools are reserved for classes and the like some hours, and are open to the general public other hours. Sometimes the hours are segregated by use - some hours only serious swimming of laps is allowed, others families can bring the kids to play.

Having a seperate set of segregations based on sex would cut down on what hours are available.

Can I have white only hours then?  If the community desires it and they want to be free of those pesky minorities why wouldn't that be reasonable?  The desires of the community must always be accomodated after all.

I know they were in my State for awhile.

So long as the sexists must be accomodated the racists might as well to.

[Iormlund]

Personally I'd like a HOTT women plus nerd males hour.

[Valmy]

Personally I'd like a HOTT women plus nerd males hour.

Short people hour.  So they will not have to be terrorized by the horror of swimming with tall people and be made to feel small.

[The Brain]

What about people who don't have sex? When will they swim?

[Valmy]

What about people who don't have sex? When will they swim?

Asexual hour so they don't have to be exposed to the horror of other's sexual tension?  I like it.

[The Brain]

Separating public pools based on sex = herding people into gas chambers.

[Malthus]

It is similar here - public pools are reserved for classes and the like some hours, and are open to the general public other hours. Sometimes the hours are segregated by use - some hours only serious swimming of laps is allowed, others families can bring the kids to play.

Having a seperate set of segregations based on sex would cut down on what hours are available.

I don't think it's unreasonable to carve off some gender specific time slots if they have "no kids" times or other scheduled times as well.  If there's a "everyone can use the pool at all times" policy, fair enough, then you have an even handed argument against gender segregation at times.  On the other hand if you have things like "this time is booked by a school, you can't go" and "this time, no kids allowed and at once a week, this pool is 'seniors only'" and so on, then I don't think it's reasonable to say that times with gender segregation should be disallowed because it's inconvenient for some people.  If access is limited in various ways to cater to the desires of the community then the desire of those in the community who would like gender segregation should be similarly accommodated, assuming they have the numbers to justify it.

That's the whole point - having a new set of segrigations cuts down on the hours that are available. This new group ("gender segregated swimmers" or whatever) has, of necessity, to compete with all of the other existing groups, to their cost.

Given that only a tiny minority actually cares about the "modesty" angle, it is unreasonable to cost everyone hours for their benefit.

If "the general community" requires women to be segrigated then of course you can't stop it, bar human rights legislation and the like. But so far there is no evidence I've seen that any such overwhelming demand exists - it is more about catering to a very tiny (but vocal) minority of religious immigrants than succumbing to the wishes of "the community" for such a thing, at least here in Canada.

Edit: moreover, the other segrigations are based on function, not some irrational prejudice. You can't swim laps seriously when kids are playing in the pool.

[Valmy]

Separating public pools based on sex

Is the same as separating public pools based on gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion and I am not interested in propagating it.

Signs that say 'white/black/women/men' only are silly and I don't get what constructive is really being achieved.

There needs to be a practical reason beyond 'those other people make me uncomfortable and I don't want them here while I swim'

[garbon]

I only feel comfortable swimming around people who recognize the divinity of at least one of the following: Hillary Clinton, Camille Paglia, Angelina Jolie, Kate Walsh, Shirley Manson.

[The Brain]

Shirley Manson.

Learn to spell.

[Capetan Mihali]

Why have same-sex bathrooms?

[Sheilbh]

Given that only a tiny minority actually cares about the "modesty" angle, it is unreasonable to cost everyone hours for their benefit.

I disagree.  I think the vast majority of Muslim women would be uncomfortable in a bikini or swimsuit with lots of men around.

[Malthus]

Given that only a tiny minority actually cares about the "modesty" angle, it is unreasonable to cost everyone hours for their benefit.

I disagree.  I think the vast majority of Muslim women would be uncomfortable in a bikini or swimsuit with lots of men around.

The vast majority of people in the communities under discussion are not conservatively religious Muslim women.

Also, in point of fact, many Muslim women who come here to Canada at least rather welcome the absence of seperate-but-equal provisions for "modesty", which (if provided) have a way of becomming mandatory.

Particularly the Persian ones. 

[Sheilbh]

The vast majority of people in the communities under discussion are not conservatively religious Muslim women.

Also, in point of fact, many Muslim women who come here to Canada at least rather welcome the absence of seperate-but-equal provisions for "modesty", which (if provided) have a way of becomming mandatory.

Well here, in my experience, it's only areas with a very high Muslim or very high Orthodox Jewish community that have segregated hours.  For example Bethnal Green which is famous for it, because it was the first place that had them, has an over 50% Muslim population.

As I say my experience in the UK is that even liberal Muslim women are uncomfortable showing off much flesh.  It's not necessarily related to conservatism.  Which is why I don't object to it, I oppose the religious conservatives and hardliners presuming to speak for all Muslims in such a way that forces the liberals to change their behaviour,or be classed as almost un-Muslim.  I don't think this is one of those cases because it would be of as much use to liberal as to conservatives.

Do you have any examples of those provisions becoming mandatory?