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[garbon]

Did anyone force you to read my post?

[Sheilbh]

*anti-Islam babble*

I know

Edit:  We really need a word other than 'Islamophobe' to describe someone like Grallon, because it's nothing more than bigotry now. 

[Eddie Teach]

*anti-Islam babble*

Islam suxxorz.

[Valmy]

Edit:  We really need a word other than 'Islamophobe' to describe someone like Grallon, because it's nothing more than bigotry now. 

To the extent that said Muslims agree with the belief that Allah demands all homosexuals be executed by being tossed from the tallest point it seems justified to me.

I mean why shouldn't Muslims be judged by the beliefs they espouse?  That strikes me as fair and right.  If they said 'gayness is good lets be friends' I bet the Grallons and Martys would be singing a different tune and justifiably so yes?

[garbon]

To the extent that said Muslims agree with the belief that Allah demands all homosexuals be executed by being tossed from the tallest point it seems justified to me.

I mean why shouldn't Muslims be judged by the beliefs they espouse?  That strikes me as fair and right.  If they said 'gayness is good lets be friends' I bet the Grallons and Martys would be singing a different tune and justifiably so yes?

Sounds pretty exhausting to spew venom filth every group that dislikes/hates you...and a bit inane when the issue at hand has nothing to do with sexuality (let alone their hatred of one's sexuality). But that's just me.

[Jacob]

Edit:  We really need a word other than 'Islamophobe' to describe someone like Grallon, because it's nothing more than bigotry now.

"Virulent misanthrope" or, if you want to get more personal "bitter old queen".

[Valmy]

Sounds pretty exhausting to spew venom filth every group that dislikes/hates you...and a bit inane when the issue at hand has nothing to do with sexuality (let alone their hatred of one's sexuality). But that's just me.

Good point.  I was just thinking if there was a group who said all white men should die I probably wouldn't be very friendly to them either.

[garbon]

"Virulent misanthrope" or, if you want to get more personal "bitter old queen".

Only problem is that Crazy_Ivan80 falls into Grallonness in this case and I'm not sure Bitter Old Queen would do him justice.

[Valmy]

I don't go, and that's why I'm overweight. Seriously, I live in a college town. When I belonged to a gym here, most of the people were already in shape and just wanted to tone up, or were desperately trying to lose those unsightly 10 pounds clinging to their thighs. The overweight folks generally do mall walking and weight watchers.

I love weight watchers it is the best.  But I digress.  Mall walking is lame though don't do it!

It's not that I don't want guys judging me. I don't want anyone judging me. Making a gym female-only does two things: 1.) takes the men out of the equation, which is the only gender whose opinion matters to me on how I look; and 2.) halves the number of people likely to come.

I am having a hard time saying anything to this because this seems contradictory.

See, now for that, you get huge huggles. 

Most of the time, I don't give a shit. If I'm hauling my ass out to exercise, whoever is there to watch and laugh can bite said ass. Their opinion means very little to me 90% of the time.

However, the things I said are valid for a lot of women and me during that 10% that I'm feeling particularly overweight/unattractive, and makes the idea of a women-only gym/pool very attractive.

I have to say there is something sort of sweet that you don't want to be seen by men when you are not feeling attractive.

I still don't like the idea because it strikes me that somehow you find us threatening or that me being around women makes them unhappy or something.  I guess I sorta take it personally.

[garbon]

Good point.  I was just thinking if there was a group who said all white men should die I probably wouldn't be very friendly to them either.

When does a group speak with one voice?

[Valmy]

When does a group speak with one voice?

Usually when they announce they believe what is written in this book and that book says things.  Of course Islam, like Judaism, and Christianity is a complex animal with some groups being more willing than others to believe things a bit less literally.

[Jacob]

Only problem is that Crazy_Ivan80 falls into Grallonness in this case and I'm not sure Bitter Old Queen would do him justice.

He's Flemish.  They're well known to be full of hate.

[garbon]

Usually when they announce they believe what is written in this book and that book says things.

So the answer would be never? How many of the religions that you then went on to list have individuals who actually believe everything as written?

[Iormlund]

So your position is that Islam is fine because its adherents do not always follow it?

Would you say Nazism was fine because not every party member gassed Jooos as a full-time job?

[Valmy]

So the answer would be never? How many of the religions that you then went on to list have individuals who actually believe everything as written?

Didn't I just say that?

But Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Christians state pretty explicitely that they do believe everything as written.  Ergo it seems perfectly fair to judge them from that basis.  The same would be true and fair for their Muslim equivalents garbon.