Iran War?

[Threviel]

The only way is not correct, both nuclear and coal is possible, with some input from oil, gas and hydro. Solar and wind is never going to cut it except as (important) complements to a good base supply.

Europe imports 100% of its uranium usage and 67% of hard coal usage. Maybe we have a different understanding of energy independence?

We have rich deposits of both coal and uranium. On the timescale needed to rebuild our energy infrastructure it is entirely feasible to restart coal mines and start uranium mining.

[Duque de Bragança]

They implemented a policy that was both popular and part of their electoral promises. And they did it open-ended and more flexible than the Conservatives & Liberals (not an uneasy coalition!) in 2011. And they did kickstart the aforementioned renewables boom. Overall, a much more balanced policy in the early 2000s than the one implemented by the Conservatives in 2011. Even acknowledging Schröders role in Nordstream I.

They implemented a popular scaremongering and demagogic suicidal energy policy serving the interests of Moscow.
Those so-called left-wing parties (Hartz IV...) had to pretend to be so by clinging to a cause célèbre and an old-fashioned demagogic view to keep some voting credibility.

As for FDP and CDU, not an uneasy coalition, in theory yes, with people such as Guido, back then.
FDP  had no clear position on the issue. As far as opportunists go, they are a bit like Macron, but not as successful.

Sure. Germany stopped building nuclear reactors in the 80s when Kohl ruled, notably also in conservative regions like Bavaria or Baden-Wurttemberg. In 2011, besides Merkel, leading conservatives like Söder, Röttgen etc. supported the policy and the support by the parliamentary faction was unanimous...

These days our conservatives are following fantasy concepts like e-fuels or so. Not serious.

First attempt to end nuclear was done under Herr Gasprom, as part of his political corrupt deals with the Greens and Moscow.

Later, the CDU reversed it before yielding to demagoguery and political expediency, citing earth quake and tsunami concerns in a non-sismic country. 

As for the alleged examples in the '80s in Bavaria: try Franz Josef Strauss who did all he could for nuclear energy, the Greens and assorted leftists are to blame for not building more, not the CSU.
Even France did not build that many in the '80s (Superphénix being cancelled on dubious grounds by a socialist government later on), the whole process was done under Pompidou and Giscard (Helmut Schmidt times). A different SPD as well.

Röttgen as leading conservative is very kind to him. Söder had his 15 minutes of fame, being the first Lutheran Franconian taking over "real" Bavaria, and in charge of coalition negotiations with the SPD.
So a great example, of real CSU/CDU.

As far as fantasy concepts, the Green mix(er) based on coal,  lignite and Russian gas, now US LNG (more expensive though), is the real contender. Thankfully, there are French nuclear power plants to fuel it (pun intended). 

I could have also mentioned the brilliant Green and SPD idea to link the European prices of electricity to (Russian) gas, so derogations had to be made first for Iberia (completely unreliant on Russian gas) then France which has a varied gas mix but had to suffer high electricity prices due to SPD and Green corruption by Moscow.

[Jacob]

Vlad Wexler on the contradictory and limited communication in the wake of the attacks on Iran:

Summary: It actively undermines democracy.

[Norgy]

So, Iran will be more democratic than the United States.

[Legbiter]

Sure. Germany stopped building nuclear reactors in the 80s when Kohl ruled, notably also in conservative regions like Bavaria or Baden-Wurttemberg. In 2011, besides Merkel, leading conservatives like Söder, Röttgen etc. supported the policy and the support by the parliamentary faction was unanimous...

These days our conservatives are following fantasy concepts like e-fuels or so. Not serious.

[Zanza]

We have rich deposits of both coal and uranium. On the timescale needed to rebuild our energy infrastructure it is entirely feasible to restart coal mines and start uranium mining.

Well, if we have time, then we should rather mine for lithium in Europe and build batteries.

[Valmy]

What's the response in the US? I'm less looped in to American domestic media than I used to be, but I'm still curious -

How much rallying around the flag "defending freedom" are you seeing in American media and among the public?

I mean, I assume that the core of the Trumpists are 100% on board, and committed anti-Trumpists are against. But are there cracks in Republican unity on this? Are there Democrats who are "serious foreign policy people" who are in favour? And what are the prevailing "main street" narratives right now?

Cnn poll

77% of republicans support the war

32% of indies

17% of dems

Granted it is just one poll.

[Valmy]

We have rich deposits of both coal and uranium. On the timescale needed to rebuild our energy infrastructure it is entirely feasible to restart coal mines and start uranium mining.

Well, if we have time, then we should rather mine for lithium in Europe and build batteries.

Yep. Invest in batteries. That is the future. Trying to revive coal is a terrible idea.

[Zanza]

@Duque: Alright, got your point, but disagree. I will stop here as I guess we detailed the Iran War thread enough.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

It wouldn't be Languish without regularly-derailed threads.  We need to figure out how to make it about the American Civil War, though. 

[Jacob]

It wouldn't be Languish without regularly-derailed threads.  We need to figure out how to make it about the American Civil War, though. 

Which one? The original or the impending one?

[The Minsky Moment]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Kahn

You're welcome.

[Norgy]

It wouldn't be Languish without regularly-derailed threads.  We need to figure out how to make it about the American Civil War, though. 

Grant is under-rated. Send him to Arabia. Whatcha mean Iran is not Arabian?

[HVC]

It wouldn't be Languish without regularly-derailed threads.  We need to figure out how to make it about the American Civil War, though. 

Looks like it took a while, but the south is finally winning. Gotta admire the long game.

[Duque de Bragança]

@Duque: Alright, got your point, but disagree. I will stop here as I guess we detailed the Iran War thread enough.

Fine.