2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[frunk]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Well we aren't going to get energy out of Biden. 

Fortunately Biden isn't the only person in the party, and I assume someone else is actually running his campaign.

[garbon]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Well we aren't going to get energy out of Biden. 

Fortunately Biden isn't the only person in the party, and I assume someone else is actually running his campaign.

Are you suggesting they keep him on a diet of pharmaceuticals to prop him up?

[Sheilbh]

Of course implicit in all of this - which will come up very quickly - is whether Biden is fit to be US President currently and to an extent, who is running the country/administration right now?

I think Democrats need to be thinking about the answers to those questions now because they will come and they'll be justified.

[DGuller]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Could be a function of Biden being on the ticket.  How do you get motivated to really sell the guy who's dying in front of your eyes?  This is why I also don't believe that polling numbers alone should drive the decision on Biden's replacement, the polling numbers in November would reflect the future campaign over the last few months.  We don't know how the strong the campaign would be for any of the replacements, but we know that there would be no energy coming from Joe.

[DGuller]

Fortunately Biden isn't the only person in the party, and I assume someone else is actually running his campaign.

It's true, but energy at the top matters a great deal.  It's hard to have a high performing team when the leader barely performs at all.

[Zoupa]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Everyone is polling better than Biden. Shapiro, Whitmer, Harris...

I still think replacing Biden would be a momentous mistake. Polling doesn't mean much against name recognition and incumbency. The Dem higher-ups are freaking out over one debate. It didn't really move the needle.

[crazy canuck]

It's not just the Dem higher-ups who are concerned about what happened at the debate.  And it did in fact move the needle considerably by nine points immediately after the debate.

And as I said in an earlier post, Biden's mental incompetence at the debate played very well in the Republican narrative for the election.

If there is a new candidate, the Republicans will need to create a different narrative.

[Norgy]

Donald J. TargEARian.

[Grey Fox]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Everyone is polling better than Biden. Shapiro, Whitmer, Harris...

I still think replacing Biden would be a momentous mistake. Polling doesn't mean much against name recognition and incumbency. The Dem higher-ups are freaking out over one debate. It didn't really move the needle.

The man has no energy left.

Imagine Denis Coderre pas d'énergie. Même face à marde et des paroles sans contenu mais pas aucune passion pour les appuyées. C'est sa Biden en 2024.

[garbon]

Guardian referenced a Politico articles suggesting there are now concerns that New York is in play.   He needs to GTFO.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/10/biden-new-york-trouble-00167198

[Valmy]

I thought Biden was dragging down the party to the extent that certain congressional districts were now in play for GOP, not the whole state.

But either way, things are going pretty disastrously. We need to make this the defenders of Democracy against Project 2025, not vote for old man Biden.

[Jacob]

Trump suggesting he'd be okay with China taking Taiwan:

The United States has always adopted a posture of strategic ambiguity toward Taiwan — which is to say it has supported Taiwan's defense without formally committing itself to go to war in the event of an invasion. That strategy, while far from perfect, has succeeded in maintaining Taiwan's independence and preventing war.

Trump, however, is blowing it to smithereens. In an interview with Bloomberg, he implied the United States under his presidency would not defend the island from a Chinese attack. "Taiwan is 9,500 miles away," he explained. "It's 68 miles away from China."

And he fleshed out his reasons for refusing to defend Taiwan using his familiar gangster logic:

"Taiwan took our chip business from us. I mean, how stupid are we? They took all of our chip business. They're immensely wealthy ... I don't think we're any different from an insurance policy. Why? Why are we doing this?"

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-invites-china-to-invade-taiwan-if-he-returns-to-office.html

[Josquius]

Its a curious one.
Will the America first, don't give a shit about anyone else, side of people's thinking overcome the China hating side?
I can really see how not caring about Taiwan is quite an easy sell to populist folks who don't think beyond immediate cause and effect.

[Admiral Yi]

Will the America first, don't give a shit about anyone else, side of people's thinking overcome the China hating side?

I was thinking the same thing.  Biden sucks China's dick has been a major campaign talking point.

[viper37]

To me the problem isn't Biden, it's the rather bland and lackluster campaign that has been run.  Nobody is polling above Biden, so I don't expect the replacement to do any better without serious changes in focus and energy from the Democratic Party.

Everyone is polling better than Biden. Shapiro, Whitmer, Harris...

I still think replacing Biden would be a momentous mistake. Polling doesn't mean much against name recognition and incumbency. The Dem higher-ups are freaking out over one debate. It didn't really move the needle.

The man has no energy left.

Imagine Denis Coderre pas d'énergie. Même face à marde et des paroles sans contenu mais pas aucune passion pour les appuyées. C'est sa Biden en 2024.

DENIS POUR PM!!!  RIGHT F* NOW!!!
 :lol:

Face à marde, paroles sans contenu, aucune passion, that's about your average provincial Liberal right now