COVID vaccinations! Have you gotten yours?

[garbon]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/cdc-panel-prefers-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-over-jj-due-to-rare-blood-clot-cases.html

CDC panel recommends Pfizer, Moderna vaccines over J&J shots for adults due to rare blood clot cases

An advisory panel for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday recommended Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines over Johnson & Johnson's shot for adults 18 and over, after finding dozens of people developed a rare blood clot condition following J&J vaccination, all of whom were hospitalized and nine of whom died.

However, members also had to weigh the full risks and benefits of their recommendation. Limiting the J&J vaccine to adults 50 and older, for example, would remove the shot as an option for young men who are at risk of developing a rare heart condition called myocarditis associated with the Pfizer and Moderna shots.

And pulling the J&J vaccine altogether could deliver a blow to the shot worldwide. J&J has said the vaccine is easier to distribute to hard-to-reach communities not just in the U.S. but around the world because it is a single dose, reducing logistical hurdles compared to the two-dose vaccines.

"I believe that we should really keep in mind that our decision does or likely will have a global impact," said Dr. Oliver Brooks, the chief medical officer at Watts Healthcare in California.

In April, the FDA and the CDC briefly halted the use Johnson & Johnson's single-shot vaccine, after six adult women developed blood clots and low blood platelet levels at the same time.

A week later, the FDA and the CDC lifted the pause on J&J shots after the independent advisory panel said the benefits of the shots outweighed the risks. The panel at the time did not recommend restricting the shots by age or gender. It did propose that the FDA add a warning label for women younger than 50.

The FDA has told health-care providers that they shouldn't administer a J&J booster to people who have a history of developing TTS after the first shot. The FDA also said the J&J shot should not be administered to people who received AstraZeneca's vaccine, though AstraZeneca is not authorized for use in the U.S.

CDC experts on Thursday said no TTS cases have been identified in people who have received J&J booster doses, though the number of boosters is relatively small.

"Currently available evidence supports a causal relationship between TTS and the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine," the FDA said in the factsheet for health-care providers.

In October, the FDA and CDC authorized J&J boosters for all adults at least two months after receiving their initial J&J shot. More than 800,00 people have received J&J boosters, according to CDC data. People who received their primary vaccination with the J&J shot can also get boosted with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted unanimously to recommend Pfizer and Moderna over the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky still has to accept the recommendation.

The CDC has confirmed 54 cases of people developing blood clots and showing low blood platelet levels, a new condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome that mostly affects younger women. All of the patients were hospitalized, nine people died and 36 were treated in intensive care.

The U.S. has administered more than 17 million J&J doses since the Food and Drug Administration authorized the shot on an emergency basis in February.

"The TTS case reporting rates following Janssen vaccines is higher than previous estimates in men as well as women in a wider age range," Dr. Keipp Talbot, chair of the the CDC's vaccine and safety subgroup, told the advisory panel.

Seven of the patients who died were women and two were men with a median age of 45. Most the people who died had underlying health conditions such as obesity, hypertension and diabetes. The death reporting rate was 0.57 fatalities per million doses administered, according to the CDC.

"We've been struck on reviewing these cases by how rapidly patient status deteriorates and results in death," Dr. Isaac See, with the CDC's vaccine safety team, told the advisory panel.

Patients typically developed symptoms 9 days after vaccination and were hospitalized 5 days after they developed symptoms, according to the CDC. The overwhelming majority of patients were women, 37 total, and the median age was 44. Seventeen men developed TTS.

Johnson & Johnson's Penny Heaton, global therapeutics area head for vaccines, defended the company's shot during the meeting, saying it "is saving lives here in the USA and on every continent around the globe."

"It's easy to store and transport," Heaton said. "In many low and middle income countries, our vaccine is the most important and sometimes the only option even in the US, given its durable protection may be the preferred choice for people who can't or won't return for multiple vaccinations."

Heaton said J&J recognizes the incidents of TTS associated with the vaccine and that the condition can be fatal, though the cases are rare. She said patient safety and well being remains J&J's top priority, and the company has several studies underway to identify risk factors associated with the development of TTS.

Though the CDC panel's recommendation was unanimous, some members grappled with the vote. The vaccine experts also could have recommended pulling the shot altogether, or limiting it to certain age or demographic groups.

Dr. Pablo Sanchez, a professor pediatrics at Ohio State University, said he is not recommending the J&J shot to any of his patients' parents, though he ultimately voted for the panel's motion.

"I just cannot recommend a vaccine that is associated with a condition that may lead to death," Sanchez told the committee. "I am not recommending it to any of my patients' parents."

[Admiral Yi]

Just scheduled my booster for Monday. 

I've been slow because I wasn't feeling well a while ago.

[Josephus]

It's funny, not really, how things have escalted here.

Two weeks ago I went to book an appointment for my parents  for their booster (I didn't qualify yet). I got them an appointment two days later.

Yesterday I finally went to book an appointment for myself and can't get anything before Jan 10.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.

[Jacob]

Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.

I don't think it's a lack of urgency, I think it's a logistics issue in rolling out the booster in an accelerated timeframe.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.

I don't think it's a lack of urgency, I think it's a logistics issue in rolling out the booster in an accelerated timeframe.

I am not sure.  I think we have the vaccines sitting in storage atm.  And the system is already set up to go.  I suspect they made the decision a few weeks ago regarding the role out - but events have overtaken those plans.

[Berkut]

Just got my booster. Went with Pfizer for the 3rd, actually changed from my planned Moderna at the last minute (they had both and gave me the choice).

90 minutes later and I feel fine!

[crazy canuck]

 

[DGuller]

I had to shop at Target tonight, and oh boy, that was a scary sight.  There had to have been at least 200 people there at once, probably more.  I imagine the odds of no one there having Covid, right now in New Jersey city that is bordering NYC, are non-existent.  I'm almost resigned to the fact that Covid is in my future, given the crazy spread of Omicron, as there is just no way to completely escape such petri dishes.  I hope that wearing a mask and being triple vaccinated will spare me from the truly unpleasant stuff once the time comes.

[Admiral Yi]

Why the paranoia about Omricon?  Reports suggest it is a mild variant.

[DGuller]

Why the paranoia about Omricon?  Reports suggest it is a mild variant.

From what I'm reading, a lot of experts are still hesitant to conclude that it is indeed a mild variant, all things being equal.  Also, as with other Covid, the concern is not just about dying, but also about long Covid.  From what I know, you can get long Covid from mild cases of short Covid.

[Jacob]

Why the paranoia about Omricon?  Reports suggest it is a mild variant.

Reports are mixed - reports from Denmark indicate that the hospitalization rate is a bit lower (but not massively so) for omicron, but that the vaccine is much less effective in preventing spread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/18/omicron-variant-denmark/

[DGuller]

Crap, I didn't notice I posted in the wrong Covid thread.  Mental confusion already setting in?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Just got my booster. Went with Pfizer for the 3rd, actually changed from my planned Moderna at the last minute (they had both and gave me the choice).

90 minutes later and I feel fine!

Same here, except I got the Moderna (got Pfizer for the first two). So far so good!
Also got my flu shot, though probably too late since I'm pretty sure I got the flu back in September.

[Josephus]

I had to shop at Target tonight, and oh boy, that was a scary sight.  There had to have been at least 200 people there at once, probably more.  I imagine the odds of no one there having Covid, right now in New Jersey city that is bordering NYC, are non-existent.  I'm almost resigned to the fact that Covid is in my future, given the crazy spread of Omicron, as there is just no way to completely escape such petri dishes.  I hope that wearing a mask and being triple vaccinated will spare me from the truly unpleasant stuff once the time comes.

It should...otherwise we're all fucked.