Hagia Sophia to be turned back into a mosque

[garbon]

God?

[The Larch]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fe.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

[Sheilbh]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fe.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Oh absolutely. It was a real threat - as the Armada indicates - but it was transformed into an imagined threat too. I think that vision of Spain probably still holds a place in the popular imagination/standard Whig-ish history of England.

[grumbler]

A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognised, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.

Old fat spider spinning in a tree!
Old fat spider can't see me!
          Attercop! Attercop!
               Won't you stop,
Stop your spinning and look for me!

Old Tomnoddy, all big body,
Old Tomnoddy can't spy me!
          Attercop! Attercop!
                Down you drop!
You'll never catch me up your tree!

Lazy Lob and crazy Cob
are weaving webs to wind me.
I am far more sweet than other meat,
but still they cannot find me!

Here am I, naughty little fly;
you are fat and lazy.
You cannot trap me, though you try,
in your cobwebs crazy.

[grumbler]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fe.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

That's only because nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fe.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Oh absolutely. It was a real threat - as the Armada indicates - but it was transformed into an imagined threat too. I think that vision of Spain probably still holds a place in the popular imagination/standard Whig-ish history of England.

The Black Legend still has a few tiny ripples. I was taught the Whiggish version of England's history at school (have updated since of course); so on my first visit to Spain, more than 40 years ago, I was delighted with how friendly and delightful the people were. Of course I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition (who does?), but my expectations were definitely slightly lowered and influenced by the history............which is ridiculous in retrospect.

[The Brain]

We all remember seeing the Spanish Armoury in the Tower. Scary stuff! To think that the Armada came close to unleashing such horrible instruments of torture on upstanding Englishmen.

[Duque de Bragança]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fé.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Cultural appropriation! 

[The Larch]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fé.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Cultural appropriation! 

Blame the Anglos, who after several centuries still don't know how things are properly written.  Why it's the Portuguese wording the one used internationally I just don't know.

[Sheilbh]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fé.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Cultural appropriation! 

Blame the Anglos, who after several centuries still don't know how things are properly written.  Why it's the Portuguese wording the one used internationally I just don't know.

I'm not going to use accents on Languish without a very good reason

No idea why we have the Portuguese wording though. I just had a quick look in a dictionary and apparently the first use in English is 1688 and it is "auto da fe", so Portuguese from the start

Edit: And, given the year, almost certainly something about the terrifying threat of a Catholic king etc etc.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Probably took spelling tips off Catherine of Braganza 

[The Larch]

Probably took spelling tips off Catherine of Bragança 

Getting ahead of Duque. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Our identity was being forged against the "dark", "oppressive" strictures of Spanish Catholicism - all hysterical mysticism, the Inquisition and the auto da fé.

Which is something that was, in a significative way, a made up strawman.

Cultural appropriation! 

Blame the Anglos, who after several centuries still don't know how things are properly written.  Why it's the Portuguese wording the one used internationally I just don't know.

I'm not going to use accents on Languish without a very good reason

No idea why we have the Portuguese wording though. I just had a quick look in a dictionary and apparently the first use in English is 1688 and it is "auto da fe", so Portuguese from the start

Edit: And, given the year, almost certainly something about the terrifying threat of a Catholic king etc etc.

French TLFI notes both spellings, citing the now old-fashioned hyphenated orthography as well.

PRONONC. ET ORTH. : [] ou [-]. Également [-] (PASSY 1914) et [oto-] (DUB.) a) Attesté sous la graph. auto-da-fé ds Ac. 1798, 1835, BESCH. 1845, Lar. 19e, LITTRÉ (cf. aussi ex. 1, 2, 4). Attesté sous la graph. autodafé ds Ac. 1878, 1932, GUÉRIN 1892, Nouv. Lar. ill., DG, Pt Lar. 1906, ROB., Lar. encyclop., QUILLET 1965, DUB. et Lar. Lang. fr. (cf. aussi ex. 3, 5). b) L'expr. auto-da-fé ,,tirée d'une langue étrangère ne prend point de s au pluriel`` (LAV. Diffic. 1846). (Cf. aussi ex. 2; cf. toutefois l'ex. 1). Sous la forme francisée, autodafé prend normalement s au plur. (cf. ex. 3).
ÉTYMOL. ET HIST.  1714 auto-da-fé « lecture et exécution publique de la sentence par laquelle l'Inquisition condamnait les hérétiques au supplice du feu » (LESAGE, Gil Blas, XII, 1 ds ROB. : Seigneur cavalier, vous venez apparemment dans cette ville pour voir l'auguste cérémonie de l'auto-da-fé [...] Vous verrez, reprit-il, une des plus belles processions qui aient jamais été faites : il y a, dit-on, plus de cent prisonniers parmi lesquels on en compte plus de dix qui doivent être brûlés); 1759 autodafé « id. » (VOLTAIRE, Candide, VI, ibid).
Empr. à l'esp. auto de fe « id. » (BRUNOT, t. 6, 2, II, 1240; RUPP., p. 84; en raison du texte d'où est tirée la 1re attest., influencé par plusieurs romans esp.) croisé avec le port. auto da fe « id. », tous deux signifiant proprement « acte de foi » (acte* et foi*).

[Duque de Bragança]

Probably took spelling tips off Catherine of Bragança 

Getting ahead of Duque. 

Obrigado!

D. Catarina is more famous for popularising tea in Albion though. 

[Sheilbh]

D. Catarina is more famous for popularising tea in Albion though. 

Her Wikipedia has that customary entry in figures (especially foreigners!) in 17-8th century English history - "Popish plot"