Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[Tamas]

I think most if not all political revolutions can be traced back quite easily to economic hardships. Not saying the political aspects were not important to people but it takes the loss or risk to their livelihoods to push them over the edge.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't understand Haiti in that list.  Slaves were rich?

[Sheilbh]

I think most if not all political revolutions can be traced back quite easily to economic hardships. Not saying the political aspects were not important to people but it takes the loss or risk to their livelihoods to push them over the edge.

I'm not sure - or certainly not hardships of the general public. I think my starting point with most revolutions would be that there's a crisis of legitimacy, which can sometimes be the result of economic failures or economic reforms - but not always. But that, to me, is what typically creates the gap that allows a revolution.

[Tamas]

I think most if not all political revolutions can be traced back quite easily to economic hardships. Not saying the political aspects were not important to people but it takes the loss or risk to their livelihoods to push them over the edge.

I'm not sure - or certainly not hardships of the general public. I think my starting point with most revolutions would be that there's a crisis of legitimacy, which can sometimes be the result of economic failures or economic reforms - but not always. But that, to me, is what typically creates the gap that allows a revolution.

Good point.

[Oexmelin]

I don't understand Haiti in that list.  Slaves were rich?

Saint-Domingue was extremely rich. The slaves obviously were not. There was no change in the economic context that suddenly made the island veer into revolution.

[Monoriu]

I think most if not all political revolutions can be traced back quite easily to economic hardships. Not saying the political aspects were not important to people but it takes the loss or risk to their livelihoods to push them over the edge.

Hong Kong is rich.  There is no economic collapse, not even close.  Rioters tend to be middle class and professionals.  Relatively speaking, the poor tend to be more pro-government.   

[viper37]

Okay so same thing but flip it. Constantly touching the mask increases chance that wearer spreads their germs.

The mask protects others, I understand, by physically stopping the little droplets of water laden with virus particles that people exhale from being broadcast (as far) to where other people can breathe them in or get them in their eyes, etc.

Constantly touching one's mask is no doubt not great for the wearer, but I can't see how it would harm others - as long as the mask is in place when you are busy breathing around them.

The conclusion: constantly putting one's mask on when near other people is okay for those other people (as long as you are consistent). It isn't so great for you, the wearer of the mask - but protecting yourself is not the main reason you are supposed to wear it, anyway: it is to protect others (a non-N95 mask isn't going to really protect you anyway).

The mask is a public health measure, not really personal protection - which is why any old cloth is better than nothing. A simple physical barrier to prevent the spread of one's possible viruses to others. If you want to effectively protect yourself, it isn't really enough, you need a medical-grade mask and probably a face shield as well - in that case, proper mask protocol becomes a lot more important.

It does not prevent all the spread.  And if you do have symptoms, a surgical mask that you replace everytime it gets wet is much better.  A cloth mask would not really protect those who are very close to you if you sneeze in them.

I can help prevent the spread of droplets just by talking, that is a possibility.  Something we did not know early on in the pandemic.

In the current US problematic, with so many people sick, I doubt it will have much of an effect to slow/stop the spread.

Keep your distance, sneeze/cough in your elbow, wash your hands.  these are the most important aspects.  Often, people wearing masks will tend to forget one of these.

[viper37]

While I agree the main benefit is to stop onward transmission, it seems counter-intuitive that they don't provide any protection at all from larger droplets (even if they can't help with small aerosolized particles that could also get into you through your eyes).

Yes.  Outside of crowded places (protests, public transit,etc), there ain't much use if you can keep your distance.  If you can't however, especially if you are in a position where you may not sneeze cough in your elbow (any kind of personalized healthcare when someone needs to touch you and be very close), I think it can be very useful.  But at the grocery store?  The retail store?  Better implement policies to keep people in at a strict minimum (50% capacity).  Costlier, but much more effective.

That's shitty for bars&restaurants, it ain't the greatest experiences, especially now that bars will stop selling alcohol at 12:00am and close at 1:00am, it will be as boring as Ontario ( ) for at least a while

[viper37]

Serious question:  Are we past the point where the virus can be contained in the United States?

Scientifically, no, see Sheilb.
Practically, yes, you are past the point.

You need another generalized and sustained lockdown everywhere. Do you see Donald Trump doing it?  Do you see him cooperating with States while they deploy their National guard to maintain a strict shelter in place? Against people who will stage armed protests?

[viper37]

Conclusions
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. However, this policy causes more healthcare demand and mortality than early stringent control and depends on continued public will.

Conclusions
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy works out pretty well as long as the population is willing to voluntarily self-impose lockdown restrictions, and as long as we keep the dying out of the ICUs.

Their economy has tanked just as much as neighbourhing countries and they have 3x the number of deaths.  Plus, other countries don't want Swedish visitors at all without a quarantine.  It didn't work.

Sweden has become the World's cautionnary tale

[The Brain]

Conclusions
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. However, this policy causes more healthcare demand and mortality than early stringent control and depends on continued public will.

Conclusions
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy works out pretty well as long as the population is willing to voluntarily self-impose lockdown restrictions, and as long as we keep the dying out of the ICUs.

Their economy has tanked just as much as neighbourhing countries and they have 3x the number of deaths.  Plus, other countries don't want Swedish visitors at all without a quarantine.  It didn't work.

Sweden has become the World's cautionnary tale

We'll see when Covid-19 is over what worked and what didn't.

[jimmy olsen]

Last week Tuesday --> Friday averaged 679 deaths

This week Tuesday --> Friday averaged 923 deaths

That's an increase of 35.9%

A similar increase next week would lead to 1254 deaths a day in the US.

[viper37]

We'll see when Covid-19 is over what worked and what didn't.

True.  We'll also see if there are permanent sequels for those we recovered.

[viper37]

Last week Tuesday --> Friday averaged 679 deaths

This week Tuesday --> Friday averaged 923 deaths

That's an increase of 35.9%

A similar increase next week would lead to 1254 deaths a day in the US.

I think it will be more than that next week.  Some of your ICUs are filled with sick patients and have no more room.

[Syt]

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/07/10/year-old-port-clinton-war-vet-dies-covid-complications-fourth-july/