Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[Valmy]

While it has since been overridden by the governor (over much protest by local officials and consternation nationally), I was recently under an order that if I left my home for anything not defined as essential, I could go to jail for up to a year. Was that vague and limited?

Also, I don't know about where you live, but here much of the national forest and other parks are still closed. That is a very significant portion of the state. Families and communities can't get together in these times--it isn't just a bullshit crowded restaurant.

Did people actually follow such an order? Was it actually enforced? Anyway how can you say what is happening in Boulder Colorado be the natural result of something that happened in your local area? Did some Georgians drive out to Colorado?

If families want to get together they can easily gather together at somebody's house or backyard and not link with dozens of strangers at a restaurant. I mean come on!

If you can get most of the safety by having the events outdoors without high risk people, that seems good enough.

Can you though? Besides it is not like this kind of thing is only happening in outdoors locations.

And yes we are coming on two months in some areas.

[Tamas]

FFS could we not spend 5 pages every day having the exact same conversation with Dorsey?

[mongers]

FFS could we not spend 5 pages every day having the exact same conversation with Dorsey?

I think the least we could do is go outside and have the conversation there instead. 

[Valmy]

FFS could we not spend 5 pages every day having the exact same conversation with Dorsey?

Sorry.

[Valmy]

FFS could we not spend 5 pages every day having the exact same conversation with Dorsey?

I think the least we could do is go outside and have the conversation there instead. 

I am currently posting from my porch 

[Grey Fox]

I think we need a summary page/post of our local restrictions. We assume too much is like where you are.

[The Brain]

I am on 24h lockdown. I need to ask permission from the guards to take a leak. Don't know how much this is related to Covid-19 though.

[merithyn]

My son had us over for a Mother's Day gathering yesterday. There were never more than eight people there at any given time, and we stayed at least six-feet apart throughout the day. I was the only non-household member allowed in the house as the boys could pee outside. We hung out in their backyard for about 3.5 hours, then I left without hugs. We ordered pizza at one point, with one person at a time allowed at the table.

It was strange. Nice, under the circumstances, but strange.

Other than my youngest son, who had a negative COVID test on Thursday, and his girlfriend, everyone else has been on lockdown for two months. My son who hosted has five housemates, and they each take turns going to the store as needed, so in the last eight weeks, none of them have gone to the store but once. Otherwise, they've hung out in their yard or house. I have been grocery shopping for 40-60 minutes once a week except for Saturday, when I ran several errands then went for a 5-mile hike. I wasn't within 2 meters of anyone during that whole sojourn, and I wore a mask the whole time, too.

We were still very careful. Because that's what we're supposed to do.

[DGuller]

Did people actually follow such an order? Was it actually enforced?

Putting out unenforced draconian orders is hardly adding clarity to the situation.

[Sheilbh]

While it has since been overridden by the governor (over much protest by local officials and consternation nationally), I was recently under an order that if I left my home for anything not defined as essential, I could go to jail for up to a year. Was that vague and limited?

One interesting thing in that UK guidance is it basically says enforcement will increase as the lockdown measures decrease. So at the minute the fine is, I think, under £100. It's going to increase to, I think, £1,200 and then increase again as the lockdown measures are eased. The theory is that basically when everyone's staying at home, someone breaking the guidelines is bad but is unlikely to have a big impact because everyone will be at home. As we start to ease out of lockdown the impact is likely to be higher because there'll be more people around, so if people break the guidelines with a large gathering, for example, they're far more likely to infect others as things open up.

I also wonder if there'sa bit of psychology going on too - in that lockdown is relatively easy and there'll be no need to really highlight the people breaking the rules. As I said before I think policing leaving lockdown is going to be far more difficult than policing lockdown, so the powers actually need a bit of teeth.

[mongers]

My son had us over for a Mother's Day gathering yesterday. There were never more than eight people there at any given time, and we stayed at least six-feet apart throughout the day. I was the only non-household member allowed in the house as the boys could pee outside. We hung out in their backyard for about 3.5 hours, then I left without hugs. We ordered pizza at one point, with one person at a time allowed at the table.

It was strange. Nice, under the circumstances, but strange.

Other than my youngest son, who had a negative COVID test on Thursday, and his girlfriend, everyone else has been on lockdown for two months. My son who hosted has five housemates, and they each take turns going to the store as needed, so in the last eight weeks, none of them have gone to the store but once. Otherwise, they've hung out in their yard or house. I have been grocery shopping for 40-60 minutes once a week except for Saturday, when I ran several errands then went for a 5-mile hike. I wasn't within 2 meters of anyone during that whole sojourn, and I wore a mask the whole time, too.

We were still very careful. Because that's what we're supposed to do.

Good going Meri, it's tricky isn't it, but as you also say rather weird.

[Grey Fox]

My son had us over for a Mother's Day gathering yesterday. There were never more than eight people there at any given time, and we stayed at least six-feet apart throughout the day. I was the only non-household member allowed in the house as the boys could pee outside. We hung out in their backyard for about 3.5 hours, then I left without hugs. We ordered pizza at one point, with one person at a time allowed at the table.

It was strange. Nice, under the circumstances, but strange.

Other than my youngest son, who had a negative COVID test on Thursday, and his girlfriend, everyone else has been on lockdown for two months. My son who hosted has five housemates, and they each take turns going to the store as needed, so in the last eight weeks, none of them have gone to the store but once. Otherwise, they've hung out in their yard or house. I have been grocery shopping for 40-60 minutes once a week except for Saturday, when I ran several errands then went for a 5-mile hike. I wasn't within 2 meters of anyone during that whole sojourn, and I wore a mask the whole time, too.

We were still very careful. Because that's what we're supposed to do.

See, this is what I mean. Here this would mean 1600$ fine for everyone involved.

[alfred russel]

While it has since been overridden by the governor (over much protest by local officials and consternation nationally), I was recently under an order that if I left my home for anything not defined as essential, I could go to jail for up to a year. Was that vague and limited?

Also, I don't know about where you live, but here much of the national forest and other parks are still closed. That is a very significant portion of the state. Families and communities can't get together in these times--it isn't just a bullshit crowded restaurant.

Did people actually follow such an order? Was it actually enforced? Anyway how can you say what is happening in Boulder Colorado be the natural result of something that happened in your local area? Did some Georgians drive out to Colorado?

If families want to get together they can easily gather together at somebody's house or backyard and not link with dozens of strangers at a restaurant. I mean come on!

If you can get most of the safety by having the events outdoors without high risk people, that seems good enough.

Can you though? Besides it is not like this kind of thing is only happening in outdoors locations.

And yes we are coming on two months in some areas.

Jesus Valmy, I just posted a link to a scientific study and a summary of the results. 318 cases of transmissions to 3 or more people were identified, and in EVERY SINGLE ONE it was indoors.

They found 1 case of transmission outdoors to 2 people.

[merithyn]

See, this is what I mean. Here this would mean 1600$ fine for everyone involved.

We were well within state and CDC guidelines. State says no more than 25 in your home/yard. CDC says no more than 10. We stayed well outside the 6-foot bubble, and wore masks.

All of that is not only within the letter but the spirit of the laws in place right now.

Why would anyone be fined?

[Grey Fox]

See, this is what I mean. Here this would mean 1600$ fine for everyone involved.

We were well within state and CDC guidelines. State says no more than 25 in your home/yard. CDC says no more than 10. We stayed well outside the 6-foot bubble, and wore masks.

All of that is not only within the letter but the spirit of the laws in place right now.

Why would anyone be fined?

Here, gatherings are not permitted.