US-Iran War Has Begun! Iran launches dozens of ballistic missiles!

[mongers]

If we accept that the Iranians shot down the plane by accident (they misidentified it or something)... then what should the international reaction be?

Sympathy for the dead, contempt for the Iranian air defense decision makers, and maybe a little doubt about the judgement of the airlines to continue flying in that context.

So apparently the reason there were so many Canadians on that flight is due to US sanctions on Iran.  Which means a lot of western airlines can not or will not fly into that country, which is why those people were stuck routing through Kiyev on a third-rate Ukrainian airline.

Why is it third rate?

[Barrister]

If we accept that the Iranians shot down the plane by accident (they misidentified it or something)... then what should the international reaction be?

Sympathy for the dead, contempt for the Iranian air defense decision makers, and maybe a little doubt about the judgement of the airlines to continue flying in that context.

So apparently the reason there were so many Canadians on that flight is due to US sanctions on Iran.  Which means a lot of western airlines can not or will not fly into that country, which is why those people were stuck routing through Kiyev on a third-rate Ukrainian airline.

Why is it third rate?

Because it's Ukrainian.

[DGuller]

 

[Admiral Yi]

So apparently the reason there were so many Canadians on that flight is due to US sanctions on Iran.  Which means a lot of western airlines can not or will not fly into that country, which is why those people were stuck routing through Kiyev on a third-rate Ukrainian airline.

Eh, what's your point?  If it had been an Air Canada flight it wouldn't have been shot down?

[DGuller]

So apparently the reason there were so many Canadians on that flight is due to US sanctions on Iran.  Which means a lot of western airlines can not or will not fly into that country, which is why those people were stuck routing through Kiyev on a third-rate Ukrainian airline.

Eh, what's your point?  If it had been an Air Canada flight it wouldn't have been shot down?

Depends on why this one was shot down.  It's possible for the flight crew to make some errors that would make it easier for the AA crew to fuck up.

[Barrister]

Dude.  You know that no one cheer leads more for Ukraine and her people than me.

But a Ukraine-based company does not scream quality and reliability.

[Barrister]

So apparently the reason there were so many Canadians on that flight is due to US sanctions on Iran.  Which means a lot of western airlines can not or will not fly into that country, which is why those people were stuck routing through Kiyev on a third-rate Ukrainian airline.

Eh, what's your point?  If it had been an Air Canada flight it wouldn't have been shot down?

That Air Canada wouldn't fly into Tehran to begin with.

[Admiral Yi]

"Air Canada does not fly to Tehran because of US sanctions" is a nice, helpful piece of information, but I still don't see how it relates to anything.

[Tonitrus]

Dude.  You know that no one cheer leads more for Ukraine and her people than me.

But a Ukraine-based company does not scream quality and reliability.

Yet, they've never had a plane crash. (and this particular jet was just three years old)

[Barrister]

Dude.  You know that no one cheer leads more for Ukraine and her people than me.

But a Ukraine-based company does not scream quality and reliability.

Yet, they've never had a plane crash. (and this particular jet was just three years old)

And I'll give them props (heh) for flying Boeings, not some ancient Tupolevs.

But there's a reason Kiyev isn't a major international air hub.

[Eddie Teach]

You mean beside the fact that nobody wants to go there?

[Berkut]

How did this turn into a discussion about the quality of the airline?

If the plane was shot down, it almost certainly has zero to do with anything the airline or pilots did or did not do. Everything I've heard so far as it that the takeoff was completely routine.

[Barrister]

How did this turn into a discussion about the quality of the airline?

If the plane was shot down, it almost certainly has zero to do with anything the airline or pilots did or did not do. Everything I've heard so far as it that the takeoff was completely routine.

This almost certainly is true.

I don't know about anyone else, but I was surprised initially why a Ukrainian flight out of Tehran would be full of Canadians.  That is all.

[Admiral Yi]

How did this turn into a discussion about the quality of the airline?

If the plane was shot down, it almost certainly has zero to do with anything the airline or pilots did or did not do. Everything I've heard so far as it that the takeoff was completely routine.

First world airlines perform more routine maintenance on radar jammers and chaff dispensers.

[Grey Fox]

Because Tehran-Kiev-Toronto is relatively cheap.