The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[Razgovory]

Okay, here's what I don't understand.  Why go to all this trouble to fire an ambassador?  Ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president.  Trump could have fired her at any time.  Why go through this whole thing of discrediting her and, apparently, stalking her?

[mongers]

Okay, here's what I don't understand.  Why go to all this trouble to fire an ambassador?  Ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president.  Trump could have fired her at any time.  Why go through this whole thing of discrediting her and, apparently, stalking her?

Because he enjoys doing nasty stuff, he is after all a bully; he gets off on that sort of behaviour.

[grumbler]

Trump was trying to pressure Yovanovitch into making the case for withholding the funds and promoting the investigation.  He wanted a tethered goat in case his actions became public.

[Josephus]

The trial begins. 

Two of three presidential impeachments in American history have happened in our lifetimes. Three if we include Nixon, who resigned before inevitable impeachment. And a future Democratic president is almost assuredly going to get impeached should the Rs ever have a majority in the House again.

The long road of American democracy bends toward failure.

yeah, it's gonna reach a point where "impeachment" will be a matter of course. The only unpredictablility will be how soon after inauguration will proceedings begin.

And as long as the the Senate majority belongs to the presidential party, then that presdident will not be removed from office.

America is broken.

I don't know why you would say that.  Bush 43 wasn't impeached despite how much certain democrats loathed him.  Obama wasn't impeached despite how much certain republicans loathed him.

The Clinton impeachment scared politicians from both parties off from impeachment - Clinton emerged even stronger after the impeachment.  Now in Trump we're seeing that despite overwhelming evidence of corruption and crimes, Trump is not suffering any political hit.

If Trump is acquitted on a more-or-less party line vote it's hard to see how any President would be successfully impeached ever.

I'm saying it's broken because, I'm saying that althought the Clinton and Trump impeachments are legit, I'm convinced that this is the start of impeachment becoming a normal ritual in a president's term. wait and see ... and as long as the president's party controls the senate, the president will never be removed from office. The US democracy is broken because it's very partisan these days.

[Admiral Yi]

I agree.  "Only" half of presidents getting impeached is not a healthy system.

[alfred russel]

He wanted a tethered goat in case his actions became public.

I doubt his mind operates with that level of strategery.

[The Minsky Moment]

Bill Clinton's case was sui generis.  As for Trump, if we keep electing people like him as President, then we can certainly expect much higher impeachment rates.

[Josquius]

Yeah. It's fascinating really. Trumpys act so proud about how trump doesn't obey the rules and all that. Like he has discovered something new in saying he just won't keep his end of agreements and will follow underhand business practices in his job as president.
Somewhere over the years we've totally lost sight of the fact that rules and standards exist for a reason. That you can't just piss all over the system and get away with it completely.

But of course he will generally. As the system is stupid.

[Valmy]

As the system is stupid.

If you say so.

[HisMajestyBOB]

If future Republicans don't want to be impeached, maybe they shouldn't break the law?

Or change the law so that the President is the law.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULTSYh_BJEU

Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr added to impeachment defense team.

[Eddie Teach]

Not the first rich prick he's defended.

[grumbler]

Probably not the best choices, I shouldn't think. 

Alan Dershowitz is past it and closely linked to Jeffrey Epstein, his pal and Rape Island sponsor.

Ken Starr is a better choice but so nakedly partisan that nothing he says will be taken seriously except by the other nakedly partisan types, so he's be preaching to the choir.  Plus, of course, the gross hypocrisy of his arguing that a president should be impeached and removed over a blowjob, but not over a willful violation of the law he is sworn to uphold, and an attempt to cover that up.

[The Minsky Moment]

Alan Dershowitz's last 3 most famous clients were Jeffrey Epstein, Julian Assange and Harvey Weinstein so Trump is joining prestigious company.

[Maximus]

I agree.  "Only" half of presidents getting impeached is not a healthy system.

I would say "only" half of presidents elected being impeachable is not a healthy system