The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[Razgovory]

I wasn't giving an exhaustive list.  I could also point you to quite a few Republicans in Congress.

You were purportedly giving me the flesh and blood non-straw man.

I was?  I thought that was something you came up with.  Whatever, Try David Nunes.  He'll mostly flesh and claims that he works for Trump despite being a Congressman.  Mostly I was thinking about a story I read earlier today (well the day I wrote my post), about how one of the Evangelical leaders said that they would only turn on Trump if there were photos of him and Putin actively committing a crime.  Also in my head was a Republican in one of the focus groups for CNN that said if Christ on the Cross said Trump colluded with Russia he'd have to run it by Trump before he would believe it.

[Admiral Yi]

I was?  I thought that was something you came up with.

Yeah, if you click the quote button and type something after it, the common perception will tend to be that you're responding to the part in the quotes.

[viper37]

but that kind of supernatural help is unlikely to happen.

So, what you say is, there are actually limits as to what God can do? 

[Sheilbh]

That was my first that as well.  My second thought was, what if Trump has a come to Jesus moment on the road to Damascus, admits he has been totally wrong about everything, promises to live the rest of his life as a Nelson Mandela or a Mohandas Gandhi, and carries through on the promise?  Would you still disapprove of him?

I think so.

But I think the last bit gets to the heart of that question. There's plenty of stuff he's done that people like/dislike but I think that's really secondary. But I think the core for Trump's supporters and opponents is who he is and how he behaves. As long as he keeps doing that I don't think his supporters will turn, or people who don't approve suddenly convert.

[Tamas]

Yes, I am upset by the very idea that such a - to me- repulsively acting dumb spoiled rich brat can be elected and worshipped by so many.

If he ended up backing correct policies that would lessen the practical damage of course but wouldn't change the fact that his position as POTUS is a terrible, terrible reflection on us as a species

[Berkut]

Yes, I am upset by the very idea that such a - to me- repulsively acting dumb spoiled rich brat can be elected and worshipped by so many.

If he ended up backing correct policies that would lessen the practical damage of course but wouldn't change the fact that his position as POTUS is a terrible, terrible reflection on us as a species

Indeed.

The fact that Trump is a douchebag of a human means very little to me. We know there are douchebags of human beings out there, so the fact that he is one of them? Meh.

The fact that we fucking elected him is appaling. The fact that much of the West in general seems to be going through this rejection of liberal democratic values in favor of authoritarians or semi-authoritarians or even just wanna be authoritarians is alarming, to put it mildly.

Although I do think this is a lashing out against the status quo more than a reversion to older, more demi-fascist political ideas. I actually think this is a great video about basically what happened in the US post WW2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSlHVZpNxMM

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rASGGjey-I

Lisa Murkowski R Alaska puts a shot across McConnell's bow.

This clip made me realize there's an aspect of the impeachment trial I had not been considering: that procedures in the Senate are decided by majority vote, and there could be some Republicans who, while not openly expressing support for conviction, might end up voting for more prosecution-friendly procedures.

[jimmy olsen]

There's at least 4 willing to vote against him on procedural issues at least some of the time or there wouldn't even be a trial, they would simply dismiss the charges as soon as they're recieved.

[Valmy]

but that kind of supernatural help is unlikely to happen.

So, what you say is, there are actually limits as to what God can do? 

Well can he make a rock so big not even he can lift it?

[grumbler]

but that kind of supernatural help is unlikely to happen.

So, what you say is, there are actually limits as to what God can do? 

Well can he make a rock so big not even he can lift it?

Can he microwave a burrito so hot that even he cannot eat it?

[Eddie Teach]

Even I can do that, g.

[jimmy olsen]

Poll has support for conviction up to 55%

https://news.yahoo.com/public-support-trump-conviction-time-091925963.html

[alfred russel]

Poll has support for conviction up to 55%

https://news.yahoo.com/public-support-trump-conviction-time-091925963.html

And yet he will win reelection.

[mongers]

Poll has support for conviction up to 55%

https://news.yahoo.com/public-support-trump-conviction-time-091925963.html

And yet he will win reelection.

No,No,No.

AR, the way it works is we get Timmay to say that.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRVgIAN__g

Susan Collins says she's "open" to witnesses.