Élection présidentielle française

[Valmy]

Well it is a relief but not exactly a victory. Macron is in a very difficult position. I certainly do not envy him.

It is more like we survived to fight again another day.

We?

Whatever. People roughly politically aligned with the post-Cold War liberal order.

[Admiral Yi]

I think the more important distinction is how one gets his money than how he spends it.

Gotcha.  So Timmy and Tamas are globalists because they work overseas?  And I'm a globalist because I work for a British company in the US?  And Billy Bob is a globalist because he assembles Mercedes in Kentucky?

[derspiess]

No.

[Monoriu]

I consider myself a globalist because I support globalisation and free trade. 

[Josquius]

This fuss about globalisation is an amazing piece of misdirection.
I don't have the numbers to hand but Britain today manufacturers as many cars as when the car industry was at its peak as an employer.
Automation has massively reduced the amount of people needed for this however.

People always forget the customer creation side of globalisation too.

[Monoriu]

This fuss about globalisation is an amazing piece of misdirection.
I don't have the numbers to hand but Britain today manufacturers as many cars as when the car industry was at its peak as an employer.
Automation has massively reduced the amount of people needed for this however.

People always forget the customer creation side of globalisation too.

My bet is that automation kills at least as many jobs as globalisation, if not more.  But the thing is, it is really hard to argue against technological progress.  There are no good reasons to stop others from using computers, tablets, the internet, and robots etc.  But globalisation can be interpreted as a policy choice, a conspiracy theory that benefits the few at the expense of the many.  It is both an effective target, and a useful tool of blackmail.  As in, if the haves aren't willing to share more of their wealth, the have-nots will kill globalisation via the electoral process.  That's one of the few ways that the have-nots can make lives worse for the haves, and that's the lever they'll push. 

[Razgovory]

Who the fuck are the globalists?  I see this word used a lot by FSB trolls and Alex Jones types, but I could never commit to killing my brain cells to find out more about them.

Jews.

That's what I think of every time I hear globalist.

[Josquius]

This is unfolding quite humorously. Not just the Internet trolls in tears but official accounts of farage, leave.eu and others.

[Solmyr]

This is undoing quite humorously. Not just the Internet trolls in tears but official accounts of farage, leave.eu and others.

Reddit The_Donald is also melting down.

[Eddie Teach]

Internet trolls in tears

Pics or it didn't happen.

[derspiess]

I consider myself a globalist because I support globalisation and free trade. 

I'm a big proponent of free trade but I do not consider myself a globalist.  To me, globalism implies things like unlimited immigration and world governance-- not just free trade.

[Valmy]

I consider myself a globalist because I support globalisation and free trade. 

I'm a big proponent of free trade but I do not consider myself a globalist.  To me, globalism implies things like unlimited immigration and world governance-- not just free trade.

Yet World Governance has weakened since 'globalization' has taken place though hasn't it? The United Nations has only gotten weaker and more irrelevant in the past few decades. As far as unlimited immigration globalization encourages economic development and lower birth rates abroad so actually reduces the pressure for immigration as indeed we are seeing dramatically in Mexico.

Globalization is, in my mind, an economic phenomenon. Sure some political things are of course required for free trade to work, of course, but those are negotiated between nations not through the UN or whatever.

[CountDeMoney]

Lol , "World Governance".  Foil, thy name is tin.

[Duque de Bragança]

Well it is a relief but not exactly a victory. Macron is in a very difficult position. I certainly do not envy him.

It is more like we survived to fight again another day.

You may be onto something:

Highest number ever of blank and null votes: 12% of cast votes. Highest abstention for a run-off: 25,3%


http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/05/07/presidentielle-un-record-de-bulletins-blancs-et-nuls_5123805_4355770.html

[Valmy]

I am more surprised that does not happen more often given the way those elections are structured but yes I saw your post earlier.

France may yet get the centrally controlled five year plans and ethnic cleansing some its people desire.