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Trumps first casualty - Flynn forced to resign

Started by Berkut, February 13, 2017, 11:00:31 PM

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jimmy olsen

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Lol, if this is true it looks like Pence really is being ignored by Trump.  :lmfao:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mike-pence-told-about-flynn-warning-11-days-after-trump-n720836

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The White House kept Vice President Pence in the dark for weeks about the warning it had gotten about national security adviser Michael Flynn from the Justice Department, Pence's press secretary, Marc Lotter, said Tuesday.

Pence did not find out until Feb. 9. Trump was first informed about the Justice Department's concerns regarding Flynn on Jan. 26, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said at Tuesday's daily press briefing.


Flynn's actions as President Donald Trump's short-lived national security adviser are under scrutiny after he resigned Monday night over phone calls he shared with Russia's ambassador to the United States in December — before Trump took office. Among the topics discussed included U.S. sanctions imposed by the Obama administration against Moscow for its alleged role in the 2016 presidential election.

The date the vice president knew is significant because it is when the administration became aware that the Washington Post was about to publish a heavily-sourced story that confirmed Flynn and the Russian ambassador discussed sanctions, despite public denials from Flynn and other incoming senior administration officials including Pence, then the vice president-elect.

Flynn's departure — so far the most high-profile of Trump's senior team — comes after the White House said he misled Pence and other senior administration officials about information he shared with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn had claimed that he had no substantial communication with Kislyak, which Pence later repeated to various news outlets.

In his resignation letter, Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, said "the fast pace of events" was to blame for his inadvertently briefing Pence and others with "incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador."

The Washington Post reported Monday that the Justice Department, led by then-Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, informed the White House last month that Flynn was not entirely forthcoming about the calls or their substance — opening him up to the possibility of blackmail by the Kremlin.

Yates also reportedly was concerned that Flynn could have violated the Logan Act of 1799, a rarely used law that bars unauthorized U.S. citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. However, a senior intelligence official told NBC News last week that there had been no finding that Flynn acted illegally.

Trump fired Yates on Jan. 30 after she directed Justice Department lawyers not to defend the president's executive order on immigration.

Flynn's calls with the Russian ambassador were leaked in a Jan. 12 op-ed in The Post.

Spicer said Tuesday the White House counsel undertook an "exhaustive review" and determined that Flynn hadn't violated any laws, but he still weighed whether Flynn could remain effective.

"We got to a point not based on a legal issue, but based on a trust issue, with the level of trust between the president and General Flynn had eroded to a point where [Trump] felt he had to make a change," Spicer said. "The president was very concerned that General Flynn had misled the vice president and others."

Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway also tried to distance the administration from Flynn on Tuesday morning, saying on TODAY that he was at fault after providing incomplete information and not being able to recall what occurred on his phone calls.

She was pressed repeatedly on why Flynn was left in his post — and continued to retain the president's trust — even after the Justice Department sounded an alarm.

"That's one characterization," Conway said. "But the fact is that General Flynn continued in that position and was in the presidential daily briefings, was part of the leader calls as recently as [Monday] ... and as time wore on, obviously the situation had become unsustainable."

Flynn has been replaced by retired Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg as acting national security adviser.

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HisMajestyBOB

I bet Pence wants to be kept in the dark so that he won't perjure himself during the inevitable impeachment trials.
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CountDeMoney

Pence is not family.  Trump is not that complicated, people.

Razgovory

So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject.  If he lied, he's really fucked.
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Zanza

Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject.  If he lied, he's really fucked.
But did he have a private e-mail server?

Grey Fox

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
Pence is not family.  Trump is not that complicated, people.

and you know, a religious nut.
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Berkut

This is not beyond the pale. You guys need to give Trump a chance.

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viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject.  If he lied, he's really fucked.
it's not a crime to lie to the police.  Especially given the FBI hostility toward el leader supremo.  Any one close to Trump is a target and should watch his back.  CIA, FBI, NSA, NYT, WSP, SNL, ABC, NBC, CBS, they're all against Trump and anyone close to him is fair game.  He's got good reason to lie to the ennemy.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject.  If he lied, he's really fucked.

Won't Sessions be the one to decide to prosecute or not?
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Razgovory

Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject.  If he lied, he's really fucked.
it's not a crime to lie to the police.  Especially given the FBI hostility toward el leader supremo.  Any one close to Trump is a target and should watch his back.  CIA, FBI, NSA, NYT, WSP, SNL, ABC, NBC, CBS, they're all against Trump and anyone close to him is fair game.  He's got good reason to lie to the ennemy.

It's a crime to lie to the FBI.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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viper37

you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
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According to Criminal Law Lawyer Source, "it is a criminal offense to lie to a federal government official....Title 18 of the US Code, Section 1001, a favorite of federal prosecutors, makes it unlawful to lie to a government agent." The Department of Justice has a policy not to charge people with "false statements to a federal investigator" for denying guilt upon questioning from the FBI. One legal article says the charge is a "commonly used federal charging statute, Section 1001. This statute makes it a crime to 'knowingly and willfully' give false statements in any matter under federal jurisdiction."
http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/michael-flynn-fbi-lying-russia-crime-felony-investigation-into-whether-lied-lie-scooter-libby/
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Jacob

Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319484-breitbart-puts-priebus-on-notice

QuoteBreitbart puts Priebus on notice

... apparently not.

QuoteBannon, who was executive chairman of Breitbart before becoming Donald Trump's chief strategist, slammed the right-wing website on Wednesday for a report suggesting that White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus might lose his job.

"Not upset - livid," is how Bannon described his feelings about the article to CNN. "The story is totally untrue. Reince is doing a great job. I couldn't ask any more from a partner."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/15/media/steve-bannon-breitbart-matt-boyle-reince-priebus/index.html

viper37

Wait.  Wait.  Breitbart making false news??  What a shocker!
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Valmy

It sucks to have Breitbart lie about you. Sorry Bannon.
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