Would you give up a second Obama term to avoid a Trump presidency?

[Eddie Teach]

You should be. 

[DGuller]

Is this the most epic failed thread in Languish history?

I find it hard to tell.  You need to know what the thread was trying to accomplish to know how hard it failed, and this is where I'm stuck.  It seems like a random spazzing out more than anything.

[derspiess]

Just wanted to know what choice you bulzbies would make.

[KRonn]

Hard to say but I'll side with having two Obama terms and Trump coming along with ideas to change things up. Romney would have been more of an establishment candidate, not rocking the boat, same old go along to get along. He would likely have been better on economy and he talked toughly on Russia and was mocked by Obama for it.

Reason I side with Trump over Romney four years ago is that Trump talks of changes on things that voters have been angry about. Both he and Sanders talked of the faults and problems in government with platforms of serious reform. (Sanders is too far left and socialist for my taste and IMO would have continued big, runaway government.) Trump has talked of things like more efficient and less costly building by government, reforms to Veterans admin, reforms to other programs like education where the US seems to lag far behind comparable nations. Trump is looking seriously at Pentagon waste and overly pricey procurement process, trade policies, is seriously pushing tax reform for most of us and which includes incentives for companies and jobs remaining in the US and/or moving much of their cash back to the US. Changes to US health care and insurance. Many of these are big changes and I think many of them are items that both political parties can get behind, at least to some extent.

[Zanza]

He appointed lots of radicals though. The education secretary doesn't sound like what America needs to get better in those comparison tests. The tax plans I heard about aren't for "most of us", the GOP has already proposed massively increased military spending etc.
He will change things and his appeal was that he does address some real grievances that other politicians ignored. But I doubt he'll improve any of those areas. Quite the opposite...

[KRonn]

He appointed lots of radicals though. The education secretary doesn't sound like what America needs to get better in those comparison tests. The tax plans I heard about aren't for "most of us", the GOP has already proposed massively increased military spending etc.
He will change things and his appeal was that he does address some real grievances that other politicians ignored. But I doubt he'll improve any of those areas. Quite the opposite...

Some of those "radicals" may just be people with ideas on how to do things differently that aren't working so well now. Such change rankles embedded interests. Trump and GOP do want to rebuild the military which has been hammered badly, force levels are way down. But they're also talking of things like waste that came out in reports that the Pentagon has tried to keep quiet about. Tax relief is for all, middle class, small businesses. Could be important for small businesses which are held by people filing as individuals so they get hit hard with taxes, yet because of their business income they've looked at like they're wealthy. Small businesses need some breaks and they employ the majority of workers. That's unlike large businesses that can file differently so can take advantage of various tax breaks and generally have lower tax rates.

[Valmy]

I am unsure what the basis for your optimism is KRonn but hey I hope sunshine and lollipops descend on us all.

Tax relief is all well and good but weren't we worried about deficits?

We have had politicians talking about 'waste' and so forth for decades. So talking about it does not impress me much.

[grumbler]

If eliminating "fraud, waste, and abuse" was a political priority we would have changed the constitution to allow Bill Clinton four terms.

The Trump can trot out the same old, tired and discredited "solutions to America's problems" impresses me not at all.  That KRonn buys that line of bullshit astonishes and dismays me.

[Razgovory]

So, has nobody ever read Kronn's posts until now?

[11B4V]

So, has nobody ever read Kronn's posts until now?

I thought he was trolling at first. Nope drank the kool-aid.

[DGuller]

That KRonn buys that line of bullshit astonishes and dismays me.

I don't recall KRonn ever being one to critically think through any "common sense" political slogans.  He may not at either ideological extreme, but that doesn't automatically make your opinions well-reasoned.

[Eddie Teach]

So, has nobody ever read Kronn's posts until now?

I thought he was trolling at first. Nope drank the kool-aid.

And he gets flak because it's not the "Trump is a Russian plant" flavor that is popular on the forum.

[grumbler]

And he gets flak because it's not the "Trump is a Russian plant" flavor that is popular on the forum.

And he gets flak because he is talking utter rubbish.  I own a small business and can assure you that'd I'd much rather the profit be taxed as personal income rather than corporate profit.  All this talk of "oh, i'm so smart that i will be able to run the government better and cheaper than anyone ever has" stuff is to laugh at, for anyone with a brain.  yet, people i thought had brains have drunk that kool-aid and think Trump's Amateur Hour Administration actually represents an improvement on something.  The Texans have a phrase that perfectly encapsulates Trump:  "All hat, no cattle."

[Eddie Teach]

I was not disputing that KRonn was "drinking the koolaid". Just pointing out he was hardly the only one. This election cycle has seen Languish jump at more conspiracy theories than any I can recall.

[jimmy olsen]

Just wanted to know what choice you bulzbies would make.

Very hard to believe you truly thought the outcome was in doubt.