Washington gunman motivated by fake news 'Pizzagate' conspiracy

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grumbler

#105
December 07, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 07, 2016, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 07, 2016, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Spicey's reaction is exactly why we are going to be bombarded by radicals from now on. Clinton is hated by Spicey as a hard leftist but hated by the actual leftists for being a corporate conservative stooge and a warmonger. There is no point to moderating or governing as a centrist.

She's crooked.

Not nearly as crooked as Trump and his cronies (it doesn't get more crooked than using a tax-free "charity" to buy yourself stuff, as Trump has admittedly done), but as crooked as Washington pols tend to be.  So what?  The non-crooked politicians all failed to gain any traction in the primaries.  I think that is a lesson learned.

If you have to pick your crooks, picked incompetent crooks like Trump is the sucker's choice.

Well, when the president does it, that means it is not crooked.

Except that he's not the president.  :lol:
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CountDeMoney

#106
December 07, 2016, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 07, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
Berkut, excellent diatribe, but you realize he said he voted for Johnson?

That's actually the code word:  "Johnson."  :lol:

"States' Rights"

"Kenyan colonialism"

"You sounded taller on the radio"

Razgovory

#107
December 07, 2016, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2016, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on December 07, 2016, 09:05:53 PM
I dunno, was just making a general comment that I've observed about raz's memory in cases like these. some details might be technically true, but it seems a lot of times the context is twisted so the comment / argument / whatever that raz repeats is not at all what the original person intended

Indeed. He constantly makes claims about what I once said or did, that I am always like "Huh? I don't think I said that...and certainly not in the context he is suggesting, but..."

I am curious whether

A) He is just making shit up, or
B) He really believes it, but it is completely untrue,
C) He is remembering something that actually happened, and remembers the context as well, but doesn't care because he is inately dishonest, as has been shown time and again, or
D) If he is really relating something that happened, in context, and he just has a much, much better memory than the rest of us.

D is possible, but given that I've already caught him out in a straight up example of A, I suspect that we cannot really give him the benefit of that doubt.

Are you talking about the the birther thing?  Cause I can link you to it.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

FunkMonk

#108
December 07, 2016, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 07, 2016, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 07, 2016, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Spicey's reaction is exactly why we are going to be bombarded by radicals from now on. Clinton is hated by Spicey as a hard leftist but hated by the actual leftists for being a corporate conservative stooge and a warmonger. There is no point to moderating or governing as a centrist.

She's crooked.

Not nearly as crooked as Trump and his cronies (it doesn't get more crooked than using a tax-free "charity" to buy yourself stuff, as Trump has admittedly done), but as crooked as Washington pols tend to be.  So what?  The non-crooked politicians all failed to gain any traction in the primaries.  I think that is a lesson learned.

If you have to pick your crooks, picked incompetent crooks like Trump is the sucker's choice.

Well, when the president does it, that means it is not crooked.

Except that he's not the president.  :lol:

RIP tricky dick
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

CountDeMoney

#109
December 08, 2016, 06:41:45 AM
Quote'The Intel on This Wasn't 100%,' Says Pizzeria Gunman
The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answers Our Reporter's Questions

New York Times
By ADAM GOLDMAN
DEC. 7, 2016

WASHINGTON — Edgar M. Welch, 28, of Salisbury, N.C., was arrested Sunday after firing a gun inside a pizza restaurant in Washington as he investigated false claims in online articles that the pizzeria was at the center of a child sex slave ring, the police said. No one was injured by the gunfire, and Mr. Welch surrendered peacefully. The pizzeria, Comet Ping Pong, had been swept into a conspiracy theory, which linked the supposed ring to Hillary Clinton, because its owner had corresponded with the Clinton campaign about a fund-raising dinner.

On Wednesday, I spoke with Mr. Welch, who goes by his middle name, Maddison, by videoconference at an old hospital building adjacent to the city's jail. In his first news media interview since his arrest, Mr. Welch appeared downcast and at times distracted as he answered questions for 45 minutes, the maximum time allowed by the jail. "I just wanted to do some good and went about it the wrong way," he said.

What was his original plan?

Mr. Welch, the father of two daughters, said he woke up Sunday morning and told his family he had some things to do. He left "Smallsbury," a nickname for his hometown, for the 350-mile drive to Washington with the intention of giving the restaurant a "closer look" and then returning home. He wanted to "shine some light on it." As he made his way to Washington, he felt his "heart breaking over the thought of innocent people suffering." Once he got to the pizzeria, there was an abrupt change of plans. Mr. Welch would not say why he took a military-style assault rifle inside the restaurant and fired it. According to court documents, Mr. Welch said he had come armed to help rescue the children.

What did he think when he discovered there were no children at the pizzeria?

"The intel on this wasn't 100 percent," he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children "inside that dwelling." He also said that child slavery was a worldwide phenomenon.

He said it was through word of mouth. After recently having internet service installed at his house, he was "really able to look into it." He said that substantial evidence from a combination of sources had left him with the "impression something nefarious was happening." He said one article on the subject led to another and then another. He said he did not like the term fake news, believing it was meant to diminish stories outside the mainstream media, which he does not completely trust. He also said he was not political. While once a registered Republican, he did not vote for Donald J. Trump. He also did not vote for Mrs. Clinton. But he is praying that Mr. Trump takes the country in the "right direction."

What was he like?

Mr. Welch was soft-spoken and polite, and said he liked the outdoors. He was cautious when speaking about what happened, sometimes citing advice he had received from his lawyer. He said he did not believe in conspiracy theories, but then added that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks needed to be re-examined. He has listened to Alex Jones, whose radio show traffics in conspiracy theories and who once said that Mrs. Clinton "has personally murdered and chopped up" children. "He's a bit eccentric," Mr. Welch said. "He touches on some issues that are viable but goes off the deep end on some things." Mr. Welch likes to read. A favorite is "Wild at Heart: Discovering the Secret of a Man's Soul," by John Eldredge, about masculinity in evangelical Christianity. He said he did not do drugs but drank the occasional beer. He misses his children: "They are in my thoughts every second of the day." He said he had grown religious in the last few years. Tattooed on his back are Bible verses: "Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."

Does he have any regrets?

Mr. Welch said that he had acted in haste and that, if he could, he would do a lot of things differently. "I regret how I handled the situation," he said.

alfred russel

#110
December 08, 2016, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 07, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
Berkut, excellent diatribe, but you realize he said he voted for Johnson?

That's actually the code word:  "Johnson."  :lol:

Johnson was actually a candidate for president. Over 4m people voted for him.

When he says he voted for Johnson, that doesn't mean he is using a code word. He may have actually voted for Johnson.
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There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
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Berkut

#111
December 08, 2016, 02:04:46 PM
He may have.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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derspiess

#112
December 08, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
It's a distinct possibility.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

#113
December 08, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Bullshit.

derspiess

#114
December 08, 2016, 04:11:42 PM
Seriously.  There is a non-zero chance it happened.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

garbon

#115
December 08, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2016, 04:11:42 PM
Seriously.  There is a non-zero chance it happened.

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"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Eddie Teach

#116
December 08, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2016, 04:11:42 PM
Seriously.  There is a non-zero chance it happened.

Did you black out in the polling booth?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Barrister

#117
December 08, 2016, 04:24:59 PM
Did we seriously need that giant wall of text garbo?
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

garbon

#118
December 08, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 08, 2016, 04:24:59 PM
Did we seriously need that giant wall of text garbo?

Was the point received?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.
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