Question: What happens if Trump doesn't leave?

[Razgovory]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

Nixon thought the 1960 election was stolen from him (and he was the sitting VP).  In the end though he (and the GOP) did not dispute the result.

Gore thought the 2000 election was stolen from him (and again, he was the sitting VP).  Though there were court challenges, once the USSC ruled he did not dispute the result further.

Not quite.  Both conceded the election.

[11B4V]

This is sort of bothering me.  What if 4 years from now Trump runs again for President and loses then refuses to vacate the office claiming the election is illegitimate and he will not recognize the results?  How do you make him leave?

He would be an enemy of the constitution and dealt with accordingly.

[LaCroix]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

You believe they would knowingly follow illegal orders?

stolen election doesn't mean the orders to arrest trump for refusing to leave office are illegal. it's a lot more difficult for people to act than to watch and complain

[Razgovory]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

You believe they would knowingly follow illegal orders?

stolen election doesn't mean the orders to arrest trump for refusing to leave office are illegal. it's a lot more difficult for people to act than to watch and complain

Okay, let me turn it around as I did for BB.  What if an election is stolen.  What is the proper response?  Watch and complain?

[Admiral Yi]

Okay, let me turn it around as I did for BB.  What if an election is stolen.  What is the proper response?  Watch and complain?

I think the proper response if one suspects state officials of conducting electoral fraud is to request an FBI investigation.

[Barrister]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

You believe they would knowingly follow illegal orders?

stolen election doesn't mean the orders to arrest trump for refusing to leave office are illegal. it's a lot more difficult for people to act than to watch and complain

Okay, let me turn it around as I did for BB.  What if an election is stolen.  What is the proper response?  Watch and complain?

Were you not around in 2000?  If you think an election is stolen you challenge the results in court, state by state.  There's a whole process to do so.  Hell Jill Stein is trying to do so right now on behalf of Hillary.

[The Minsky Moment]

Nixon thought the 1960 election was stolen from him (and he was the sitting VP).  In the end though he (and the GOP) did not dispute the result.

It's a little more complicated than that.  The Chairman of the RNC demanded recounts in a bunch of states.  Nixon didn't officially support the effort but his personal aides were involved in the recount efforts.  There were recounts in several states, but none revealed significant discrepancies.  Then a flurry of lawsuits which went nowhere.

[Barrister]

Nixon thought the 1960 election was stolen from him (and he was the sitting VP).  In the end though he (and the GOP) did not dispute the result.

It's a little more complicated than that.  The Chairman of the RNC demanded recounts in a bunch of states.  Nixon didn't officially support the effort but his personal aides were involved in the recount efforts.  There were recounts in several states, but none revealed significant discrepancies.  Then a flurry of lawsuits which went nowhere.

I was vaguely aware of this - which is why I went with "In the end though he... did not dispute the result".

Respect for the Constitution and tradition doesn't mean you can't file court challenges.  Heck the courts are part of the overall constitutional process!  But Raz seems to be talking about Trump disputing the election results outside of that constitutional framework.

[The Minsky Moment]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

I don't get it.  If Trump loses in 2020, then the Electors will elect someone else, that person will be inaugurated, and then under the Constitution, that person will be the President and Trump will not.  So of course he could be arrested for trespass and other things as well.

[Razgovory]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

You believe they would knowingly follow illegal orders?

stolen election doesn't mean the orders to arrest trump for refusing to leave office are illegal. it's a lot more difficult for people to act than to watch and complain

Okay, let me turn it around as I did for BB.  What if an election is stolen.  What is the proper response?  Watch and complain?

Were you not around in 2000?  If you think an election is stolen you challenge the results in court, state by state.  There's a whole process to do so.  Hell Jill Stein is trying to do so right now on behalf of Hillary.

Uh, yeah.  They weren't challenging the result of the election in court, state by state.  That didn't happen.

[Barrister]

Uh, yeah.  They weren't challenging the result of the election in court, state by state.  That didn't happen.

They were challenging the result in Florida.  They didn't need to challenge state by state since Florida decided the election.

[KRonn]

Answer to that is easy: Build a wall around him.

Next President works out the Naval Observatory, and the VP gets Trump Tower.

 
And this time Mexico might offer to pay for that wall.   

[Razgovory]

Uh, yeah.  They weren't challenging the result of the election in court, state by state.  That didn't happen.

They were challenging the result in Florida.  They didn't need to challenge state by state since Florida decided the election.

So they didn't challenge the result state by state.  They didn't even challenge it county by county.

[Admiral Yi]

They were challenging the result in Florida.  They didn't need to challenge state by state since Florida decided the election.

And there were no grounds to challenge in other states.

[KRonn]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

I don't get it.  If Trump loses in 2020, then the Electors will elect someone else, that person will be inaugurated, and then under the Constitution, that person will be the President and Trump will not.  So of course he could be arrested for trespass and other things as well.

Agreed. A President would have to create a coup and take over the government but first have enough support of legal entities, military and whatever else to make that happen.

I've heard some people on the other side of politics wonder the same thing about Obama, that there would be some kind of big event where he declares martial law and refuses to leave the WH. I didn't buy into that side either.