Question: What happens if Trump doesn't leave?

[Gups]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

He won't legally be in office in your scenario. Only physically in the office.

[Razgovory]

Not if the election was fraudulent.

[LaCroix]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

the constitution means only what SCOTUS says it means

[derspiess]

Raz, just organize some Social Justice Warriors into formal units and use those to fight Trump and his Trumpenproletariat.

You want me to hang Trump voters?  Like yourself?

Besides, SJWs don't hang people-- they nag them to death and organize boycotts.

[Barrister]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

Why can't they be arrested?  The President is still subject to civil procedure (thanks Bill Clinton!), so I see no reason why they wouldn't still be subject to criminal law.  Mind you I guess a sitting President could pardon himself, but that's different from "can't be legally arrested".

Plus Trump is no longer President once his successor is sworn in no matter what Trump does.

[Razgovory]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

Why can't they be arrested?  The President is still subject to civil procedure (thanks Bill Clinton!), so I see no reason why they wouldn't still be subject to criminal law.  Mind you I guess a sitting President could pardon himself, but that's different from "can't be legally arrested".

Plus Trump is no longer President once his successor is sworn in no matter what Trump does.

A President must be impeached first.  And like I said, if the election is not valid as Trump would almost certainly say, then what power actuallly forces him?  41% of the population believed that Trump would have the election would be stolen him.  How well is that percentage repersented in law enforcement?  If they truley believe that the election is stolen they won't believe they are acting illegally by refusing to remove the President.

[Grey Fox]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

Why can't they be arrested?  The President is still subject to civil procedure (thanks Bill Clinton!), so I see no reason why they wouldn't still be subject to criminal law.  Mind you I guess a sitting President could pardon himself, but that's different from "can't be legally arrested".

Plus Trump is no longer President once his successor is sworn in no matter what Trump does.

A President must be impeached first.  And like I said, if the election is not valid as Trump would almost certainly say, then what power actuallly forces him?  41% of the population believed that Trump would have the election would be stolen him.  How well is that percentage repersented in law enforcement?  If they truley believe that the election is stolen they won't believe they are acting illegally by refusing to remove the President.

Then you ask what the Armed Forces think because you basically have (like BB mentioned) a coup d'état.

[LaCroix]

It's never been done before, and the president can't be legally arrested while in office.  The assumption in the constitution is that the President is will leave office voluntarily.

Why can't they be arrested?  The President is still subject to civil procedure (thanks Bill Clinton!), so I see no reason why they wouldn't still be subject to criminal law.  Mind you I guess a sitting President could pardon himself, but that's different from "can't be legally arrested".

Plus Trump is no longer President once his successor is sworn in no matter what Trump does.

A President must be impeached first.  And like I said, if the election is not valid as Trump would almost certainly say, then what power actuallly forces him?  41% of the population believed that Trump would have the election would be stolen him.  How well is that percentage repersented in law enforcement?  If they truley believe that the election is stolen they won't believe they are acting illegally by refusing to remove the President.

that's a big assumption

[Razgovory]

I making two assumptions.  That right actually believes the things it says and Trump has a respect for law and tradition.  Those that disagree with me make the opposite assumption.

[LaCroix]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

[Josquius]

Will trump run for reelection?

He will be really old, and I'm not sold on him wanting to actually do presidential work. I think he is more in it for the status, and he will have that without reelection.

Yes. Considering the odds of him winning a relection... I think he'll take the cowards way out and not even try

[Barrister]

I making two assumptions.  That right actually believes the things it says and Trump has a respect for law and tradition.  Those that disagree with me make the opposite assumption.

I believe that the US government, even Trump's appointees, have a respect for law and tradition.  Trump's crazy tweets are one thing, but if he were to make Executive Orders that are painfully, obviously, unconstitutional like ignoring the election results, that no one would follow those orders.

[Razgovory]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

You believe they would knowingly follow illegal orders?

[Barrister]

no, you're also assuming that because they think the election is stolen, they will actively attempt to keep trump in power

Nixon thought the 1960 election was stolen from him (and he was the sitting VP).  In the end though he (and the GOP) did not dispute the result.

Gore thought the 2000 election was stolen from him (and again, he was the sitting VP).  Though there were court challenges, once the USSC ruled he did not dispute the result further.

[Razgovory]

I making two assumptions.  That right actually believes the things it says and Trump has a respect for law and tradition.  Those that disagree with me make the opposite assumption.

I believe that the US government, even Trump's appointees, have a respect for law and tradition.  Trump's crazy tweets are one thing, but if he were to make Executive Orders that are painfully, obviously, unconstitutional like ignoring the election results, that no one would follow those orders.

Let's assume for a moment the election is stolen from him.  Why should he leave office?