Tour de Armstrong - Or how they still think it'll be a clean tour.

[Berkut]

OK, hearsay was not the correct word, but basically just some "he said, she said".

[Valmy]

OK, hearsay was not the correct word, but basically just some "he said, she said".

With the exception of a few idiots who cannot take the very simple work to cover their steps that is all we are ever going to have for most dopers these days.

[Neil]

Why all the Armstrong hate?  What makes him worse than the other cyclists?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Why all the Armstrong hate?  What makes him worse than the other cyclists?

He's American. The French can't stand that.

[Pedrito]

Why all the Armstrong hate?  What makes him worse than the other cyclists?

Basically this: while other cyclists do drugs but shut up about it, he  proclaimed several times he's always been as clean as a white sheet.

L.

[Berkut]

Why all the Armstrong hate?  What makes him worse than the other cyclists?

Basically this: while other cyclists do drugs but shut up about it, he  proclaimed several times he's always been as clean as a white sheet.

L.

So other cyclists when asked say what?

The reality is that he gets a lot of crap because he is

1. Really fucking good, and
2. American.

I might have the order mixed up though.

And this is true whether he is doped or not.

[Pedrito]

there's a difference between being quiet about assuming drugs and trumpeting your cleanness at every occasion, this behavior is what makes people angry about him

Not to offend, but no one gives a fuck if he's american or not, a doped cyclist is a doped cyclist anyway.

L.

[DGuller]

It's natural for someone claiming to be a saint to be criticized more harshly for committing sins.

[jimmy olsen]

Anyone catch 60 minutes?

Turns out it wasn't an ev0l conspiracy by those fucking frogs, but hero livestrong was doped all along.

Shocker.

Did you really find that report compelling or convincing, at least, any more so than the numerous other stories that have surfaced over the years?

They all, including this one, basically amount to some person saying they know that Armstrong took drugs, but never any actual evidence beyond hearsay.

I don't really know one way or the other, just don't really see what the latest story has that all the other ones do not to make you decide that THIS is the convincing evidence...

This is not the convincing evidence to me, since I always thought he was a lying piece of shit.

Do you think he was doping?

Even if he was lying about this, he's raised $70 million for Cancer research. Lets not tar him with an overly broad brush.

[Oexmelin]

Not to offend, but no one gives a fuck if he's american or not, a doped cyclist is a doped cyclist anyway.

Don't bother. Each time the topic came up on Languish, I brought up the fact that it had nothing to do with his American-ness, quoted early French articles who were widely enthusiastic about Armstrong, recounted my experience as a spectator on the side of the Mont Ventoux, but somehow, this spin about USA-hating cycles fan ( ) seems much more comfortable.

[Berkut]

Not to offend, but no one gives a fuck if he's american or not, a doped cyclist is a doped cyclist anyway.

Don't bother. Each time the topic came up on Languish, I brought up the fact that it had nothing to do with his American-ness, quoted early French articles who were widely enthusiastic about Armstrong, recounted my experience as a spectator on the side of the Mont Ventoux, but somehow, this spin about USA-hating cycles fan ( ) seems much more comfortable.

More a matter of the "spin" about how the problem is that he won't admit it is what makes him so objectionable is so implausible. And the issue is about why people who do in fact hate him, hate him - pointing out that there are Euroes who do not hate him doesn't really refute the reasons for why those who do hold in such special contempt.

I mean really - like he goes around "trumpeting" how clean he is - what BS. He gets asked constantly, I imagine, and what is he supposed to say? "Yes, I am totally doped!"

That is such an obviously false reason to bag on the guy that it seems pretty obvious;y something else. NOT THAT THERE IS ANY ANTI-AMERICANISM IN EUROPE OF COURSE! Gosh no.

[Berkut]

there's a difference between being quiet about assuming drugs and trumpeting your cleanness at every occasion, this behavior is what makes people angry about him


L.

Every occasion? Really?

So if I can just find one occasion where he doesn't trumpet how clean he is, what will your fall back reason for hating him be?

[Oexmelin]

That is such an obviously false reason to bag on the guy that it seems pretty obvious;y something else. NOT THAT THERE IS ANY ANTI-AMERICANISM IN EUROPE OF COURSE! Gosh no.

I am sure you detected it through your careful reading of the French press.

[Zoupa]

Oex, Berkut is trolling 

Ca l'amuse de voir combien de poissons il peut attraper avec ses commentaires. Laisse béton.

[DGuller]

Another question is, when was Armstrong started to be hated?  He did win the race 7 times in a row.  People tend to start hating people who stink up the show year after year, like Jimmy Johnson in NASCAR now.