What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Barrister]

Never understood why Mitch played the checks thing the way he did, on the eve of a senatorial election. That was never going to help the GOP.

Because $2,000 per person is terrible, terrible public policy.  The cost is astronomic and doesn't differentiate between those in need and those who are doing fine.

Well it wouldn't be to everyone.

Every adult.

[Valmy]

Every adult.

Who is not counted as a dependent and makes less than 70K.

[Jacob]

I heard that Warnock and Ossof were relatively weak candidates.

I guess we hear different things from different people. And weak and strong are fairly nebulous terms when it comes to things like political candidates.

What sort of thing made them seem weak to the people you heard from?

[HVC]

Every adult.

Who is not counted as a dependent and makes less than 70K.

70k seems like a high cut off. is that 70 per person, or per household?

[Barrister]

I heard that Warnock and Ossof were relatively weak candidates.

I guess we hear different things from different people. And weak and strong are fairly nebulous terms when it comes to things like political candidates.

What sort of thing made them seem weak to the people you heard from?

"weak" wasn't my assessment after having analyzed both of their campaigns.  I just heard (from people like Habs) that neither were great campaigners.  I'm a long way from Georgia and claim no particular expertise here.

And you do realize I quibbled with only 1 of your 4 points, right?

[Jacob]

"weak" wasn't my assessment after having analyzed both of their campaigns.  I just heard (from people like Habs) that neither were great campaigners.  I'm a long way from Georgia and claim no particular expertise here.

And you do realize I quibbled with only 1 of your 4 points, right?

Yeah for sure, I'm not arguing

I mean, I was just repeating what I'd heard elsewhere as well. They may very well have been weak candidates. I am genuinely curious about whether and why those two were in fact weak or strong candidates, having not been party to the discussion here

[Valmy]

What most impressed my about Warnock is how good he looked in ads attacking him.

"Can you believe the TRAITOR LIBERAL Warnock thinks the Iraq War was a bad idea?"

[Syt]

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/8/22220840/sasse-trump-capitol-storming-impeachment

Republican senator: White House aides say Trump was "delighted" as Capitol was stormed

Sen. Ben Sasse said that, according to senior White House officials, Trump was "confused" why others weren't as excited.

How did President Donald Trump react to the chaotic scene in which his supporters stormed the Capitol as Congress was preparing to formally approve President-elect Joe Biden's win — a scene that eventually left five people dead?

One Republican senator who says he's been in touch with senior White House aides about the matter claims the president was "delighted."

"I don't have any idea what was in his heart about what he wanted to happen once they were in the Capitol, but he wanted there to be chaos," Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) said, during an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt Friday morning.

"And I'm sure you've also had conversations with other senior White House officials, as I have," Sasse continued. "As this was unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren't as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police trying to get into the building."

Sasse added: "He was delighted."

This account generally coincides with other reporting, sourced to anonymous White House aides, about how Trump responded to his supporters' actions, and why he took so long to tell them to "go home." (Though an adviser who spoke to New York magazine's Olivia Nuzzi said that Trump disliked the optics of the mob, viewing them as "low class.")

In a separate interview on CBS Friday, Sasse became the first Republican senator to say that he would "consider" voting to remove President Trump from office if House Democrats impeached him — though he didn't fully commit to doing so. (House Democrats seem increasingly likely to impeach Trump for a second time and may do so next week.)

When Hewitt asked about impeachment, Sasse said there was a very important issue he wanted to get to the bottom of: why the National Guard wasn't deployed more quickly to help restore order.

"That's what I've been working on last night and this morning. I want to understand more about why the National Guard wasn't deployed when there had been clear calls for it, and then why that delay happened. So there are more things that I need to understand before I get to a conclusory judgment about that," Sasse said. "But I think that the question of, 'Was the president derelict in his duty,' that's not an open question. He was."

Sasse, who criticized Trump frequently during the 2016 campaign, stayed mostly quiet about the criticisms he had for most of Trump's presidency. But in recent months he's scathingly rebutted Trump's efforts to overturn the results of the election, calling them a "loaded gun" pointed "at the heart of legitimate self-government." Those words proved prophetic as Trump supporters egged on by the president's lies and conspiracy theories forced their way into the Capitol Wednesday.

Full transcript: https://hughhewitt.com/senator-ben-sasse-on-impeachment-and-transition-the-gop-in-minority/

[garbon]

Never understood why Mitch played the checks thing the way he did, on the eve of a senatorial election. That was never going to help the GOP.

Because $2,000 per person is terrible, terrible public policy.  The cost is astronomic and doesn't differentiate between those in need and those who are doing fine.

Well it wouldn't be to everyone.

Every adult.

No. The 600 wasn't so why would the 2k be?

[Barrister]

I've read similar accounts elsewhere, but I'm not sure why I should be impressed by Ben Sasse's double-hearsay about those accounts.

I think this is up to 4-5 levels of hearsay.

Anonymous accounts -> media -> Ben Sasse -> Hugh Hewitt show -> Vox

[Valmy]

Huh. I guess if I thought there was a Republican BB would love, it would be Ben Sasse.

I am not in a "benefit of the doubt" mood with the President right now in any case.

[Syt]

I've read similar accounts elsewhere, but I'm not sure why I should be impressed by Ben Sasse's double-hearsay about those accounts.

I think this is up to 4-5 levels of hearsay.

Anonymous accounts -> media -> Ben Sasse -> Hugh Hewitt show -> Vox

Isn't it rather Anonymous accounts -> Ben Sasse?

He says he's in touch with senior WH staff, and the full interview is available in audio and transcript is is at the link I posted.

[crazy canuck]

I've read similar accounts elsewhere, but I'm not sure why I should be impressed by Ben Sasse's double-hearsay about those accounts.

I think this is up to 4-5 levels of hearsay.

Anonymous accounts -> media -> Ben Sasse -> Hugh Hewitt show -> Vox

No.  Staffer - Sasse.  That is what the stuff in quotes means.  Sasse said what the staff told him.   

[DGuller]

Huh, am I not understanding some lawyer stuff?  Ben Sasse is relaying what Trump staffer told him.  That's just plain vanilla hearsay, I assume the Trump staffer didn't read about Trump's reaction in Vox, but rather witnessed it personally.  Where do the other 3-4 levels of hearsay come in?  We can hear what Sasse is saying directly, so I don't see any more hearsay here.  What am I missing?

[viper37]

I've read similar accounts elsewhere, but I'm not sure why I should be impressed by Ben Sasse's double-hearsay about those accounts.

I think this is up to 4-5 levels of hearsay.

Anonymous accounts -> media -> Ben Sasse -> Hugh Hewitt show -> Vox

However, you have a mass resignation of his staff about his behavior during the storming of the Capitole...