What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Eddie Teach]

Does the existence of those Nazis excuse bad behavior from others?

[Solmyr]

There are fine people on both sides.

[grumbler]

"Thugs on both sides are equally bad!"

"Their thugs are thugs, but my thugs are heroic freedom fighters!"

[Zoupa]

Call me when antifa blow up a federal building, mail bombs to right wingers, shoot up a a couple of places of worship, plow their cars into neonazi crowds etc etc etc etc. The level of violence is not comparable. Logarithmic, exponentially different scales.

[Razgovory]

"The Nazis are Thugs!"

"Well, why don't we try and stop them?"

"Then we'd be just as bad as they are"

"Oh, well."

[jimmy olsen]

Trump really is just hilariously evil.

https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/1064347647652388864

Just learned about this tonight. It's shocking. In 2007, a law took effect: if you worked in public services & made student loan payments on time for 10 years, you'd get loan forgiveness. In 2017, first wave of people became eligible. Guess what Trump did?

...

Out of 30,000 public service applicants, the Trump/Devos team forgave the student loans of only 96 people. That's a 99.68% rejection rate. Can you imagine deciding 10y ago to take lower salary & work in public service, counting on loan forgiveness—only to get this rejection now?

[Valmy]

I think I am going to need a bit more context there Tim. The Trump/Devos team? Who? What?

[Admiral Yi]

I'm having a hard time seeing Trump and Devos going down a list of 30,000 people.

[jimmy olsen]

I think I am going to need a bit more context there Tim. The Trump/Devos team? Who? What?

I assume one of DeVos minions at the Department of Education.

[Syt]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/18/politics/donald-trump-william-mcraven/index.html

Architect of bin Laden raid: Trump 'threatens the Constitution' when he attacks the media

Washington (CNN)Retired Adm. William McRaven on Sunday stood by his previous statement that President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media represent "the greatest threat to democracy" after the President dismissed him as a "Hillary Clinton backer" in an interview that aired on Fox News.

"I did not back Hillary Clinton or anyone else," McRaven, who oversaw the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, told CNN. "I am a fan of President Obama and President George W. Bush, both of whom I worked for. I admire all presidents, regardless of their political party, who uphold the dignity of the office and who use that office to bring the nation together in challenging times."

"I stand by my comment that the President's attack on the media is the greatest threat to our democracy in my lifetime," McRaven said, referencing remarks he made about Trump last year. "When you undermine the people's right to a free press and freedom of speech and expression, then you threaten the Constitution and all for which it stands."

McRaven's comment came just hours after "Fox News Sunday" aired an interview with Trump in which the President dismissed McRaven and criticized the military for having not killed bin Laden sooner.

Trump made the remarks during a tense exchange with Fox News' Chris Wallace after the host brought up McRaven, a vocal Trump critic who led the bin Laden operation in 2011 during former President Barack Obama's administration.

"Bill McRaven, retired admiral, Navy SEAL, 37 years, former head of US Special Operations..." Wallace started.

"Hillary Clinton fan," Trump said, cutting off Wallace.

"Special Operations ..." Wallace continued.

"Excuse me, Hillary Clinton fan," Trump said.

"Who led the operations," Wallace added, "commanded the operations that took down Saddam Hussein and that killed Osama bin Laden, says that your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his lifetime."

"OK, he's a Hilary Clinton backer and an Obama-backer, and frankly ... wouldn't it have been nice if we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner than that? Wouldn't it have been nice? You know, living -- think of this -- living in Pakistan, beautifully in Pakistan."

After Wallace asked if the President would give McRaven any credit for taking down bin Laden, Trump said "they took him down" but quickly shifted to talking about US aid to Pakistan, where bin Laden was killed.

In August, McRaven issued a stunning rebuke of Trump in an op-ed published in the Washington Post, writing that through his actions, Trump has "embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation."

[grumbler]

Call me when antifa blow up a federal building, mail bombs to right wingers, shoot up a a couple of places of worship, plow their cars into neonazi crowds etc etc etc etc. The level of violence is not comparable. Logarithmic, exponentially different scales.

So you are okay with the Proud Boys, because they have done none of those things?  Okay.  Nice friends you have, there.

Thugs are thugs.  Trying to excuse thugs because they haven't engaged in specific acts of thuggery is morally bankrupt.

[viper37]

Call me when antifa blow up a federal building, mail bombs to right wingers, shoot up a a couple of places of worship, plow their cars into neonazi crowds etc etc etc etc. The level of violence is not comparable. Logarithmic, exponentially different scales.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2018/02/16/a-t-il-battu-un-contremaitre-dans-son-bureau

but that's ok   Just normal day to day activities for the left.

Burning cars, houses, construction sites, slashing tires, beating heavy metal fans, threatening to burn some places, it's ok too.  Let's wait until they commit a real terror act with hundreds of victims until we decide to act.

I mean, it's just like these guys that Tim posted about.  Just going around, minding their own business, and suddenly, without reason any, BAM!, the Gestapo strikes again.  So unfair...

The police should have waited until they commited their crimes, then arrest them.  Right now, they are totally innocent victims of police brutality...

[Valmy]

Didn't you say that leftist protesters are arrested preemptively? Sounds like action is being taken.

The police should have waited until they commited their crimes, then arrest them.

How radical and extremely left wing of me to think that the police should only arrest people who have committed crimes 

[viper37]

Didn't you say that leftist protesters are arrested preemptively? Sounds like action is being taken.

I said they should be.  They are often left alone though, until something happens:
Leftist lynchmob target Jewish person

You know these Antifas are there to get blood.  So this is what happens.

Fortunately, the Nazis were prehemptively arrested by the police investigating them, so at least a potentially dramatic situation was avoided.

But according to Zoupa and many others, Leftist protesters should be left alone until such time they blow up a building or plow a van through a crowd.  And then, and only then, should one person and only one person be investigated and tried for the crime with no reflection whatsoever on the movement they originate from.

How radical and extremely left wing of me to think that the police should only arrest people who have committed crimes 

I think that if the police finds 3-4 Hell's Angels in a van, armed to the teeth, no matter if these weapons are legit where they happen to be, they should be arrested and interrogated.

Same goes for Nazis and Antifas.  Someone doesn't carry a rocket laucher to hunt ducks nor do you carry brass knuckles for the fun of having something heavy in your pockets.  You don't bring gaz masks to a protests because you fear the Gestapo either.  But if you want to believe in angelism from the leftist mob, so be it, we'll just have to disagree on this issue.

[Zoupa]

Call me when antifa blow up a federal building, mail bombs to right wingers, shoot up a a couple of places of worship, plow their cars into neonazi crowds etc etc etc etc. The level of violence is not comparable. Logarithmic, exponentially different scales.

So you are okay with the Proud Boys, because they have done none of those things?  Okay.  Nice friends you have, there.

Yikes, careful with that stretch old man. You're gonna pull a muscle.