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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on February 01, 2018, 06:15:29 PM:mellow:

Well, if you don't consider Obama a leftist then I guess we can end that part of the discussion.

:mellow:

Obama was a centrist.

Razgovory

Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 01, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
A good test of what?


If Valmy's impression is correct.

I've noticed that many American conservatives have rather peculiar view of politics.  Rather than a Right/Left dichotomy they seem to view politics as circle.  Everything they like is in the circle.  It is conservative and "right-wing".  Everything else is outside the circle and is what they oppose and thus "left-wing".  So you get this weird situation where communism, fascism, socialism, militarism, non-American nationalism (it's possible there some exemptions to this for European nations), non-Christian fundamentalism, etc are all left-wing ideas.  I've seen many claim that the Klan was an example of left-wing extremism, which is an odd way to describe White Evangelical American nationalists who oppose immigration.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Sophie Scholl

Quote from: Jacob on February 01, 2018, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 01, 2018, 06:15:29 PM:mellow:

Well, if you don't consider Obama a leftist then I guess we can end that part of the discussion.

:mellow:

Obama was a centrist.
Seriously.  Wow.  That is crazy.  How the heck was Obama a Leftist?!
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Admiral Yi

Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.

mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.

Some needs to work that into some form of Finding Nemo meme.
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Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.

I think the White House said Congress would have to release it, without the White House declassifying it first. And apparently Kelly opined that the contents are much less impressive than some might have hoped. So it looks like it might end up being a great big nothing burger.

Tamas

Quote from: Jacob on February 02, 2018, 12:35:00 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.

I think the White House said Congress would have to release it, without the White House declassifying it first. And apparently Kelly opined that the contents are much less impressive than some might have hoped. So it looks like it might end up being a great big nothing burger.

Well not really. If they don't release it, it will forever be the Great Big Proof that all this Russian nonsense is a Democract-FBI-Freemasons conspiracy to keep the common people down.

derspiess

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derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.

So far only to RNC contributors.  I knew that $25 would pay off!
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Grey Fox

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Has the Nunes memo been released?  I don't see anyone talking about specifics.


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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on February 01, 2018, 06:15:29 PM
:mellow:

Well, if you don't consider Obama a leftist then I guess we can end that part of the discussion.

End? Did it start?

Quote
Some weren't, but on some others (like NAFTA) he pulled some leftish Dems to the center, like he did with welfare reform. 

Not really, but you might be confusing the politicians with the voters. Many of the politicians adopted his third way ideas as a political strategy, but it was not like socialists were suddenly going 'that's right Clinton, capitalism rocks!'

QuoteAnd yes, Bernie & Co. are anti-NAFTA, but it doesn't seem to be a high priority.  The most vocal anti-Naftites by far are on the Populist Right.

Because they won their election. Bernie and Co. came very very close. And it is a very high priority. That is why I am very worried that they ever seize control of the agenda.

I don't know what your basis is for claiming that 'it doesn't seem to be a high priority'. That kind of thing is almost all of what sets that wing of the party apart. It is their entire reason for existence, left-wing economic stuff.
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

I think your assumption that "right" and "left" are objective terms is problematic.  :sleep:
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Valmy

Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 02, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
I think your assumption that "right" and "left" are objective terms is problematic.  :sleep:

They should be!
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

dps

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2018, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 01, 2018, 06:15:29 PM

And yes, Bernie & Co. are anti-NAFTA, but it doesn't seem to be a high priority.  The most vocal anti-Naftites by far are on the Populist Right.

Because they won their election. Bernie and Co. came very very close. And it is a very high priority. That is why I am very worried that they ever seize control of the agenda.

Both parties are going to have anti free trade majorities, I'm afraid.