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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Trump Grows Discontented With Attorney General Jeff Sessions
By PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN
The Failing New York Times
JUNE 5, 2017

WASHINGTON — Few Republicans were quicker to embrace President Trump's campaign last year than Jeff Sessions, and his reward was one of the most prestigious jobs in America. But more than four months into his presidency, Mr. Trump has grown sour on Mr. Sessions, now his attorney general, blaming him for various troubles that have plagued the White House.

The discontent was on display on Monday in a series of stark early-morning postings on Twitter in which the president faulted his own Justice Department for its defense of his travel ban on visitors from certain predominantly Muslim countries. Mr. Trump accused Mr. Sessions' department of devising a "politically correct" version of the ban — as if the president had nothing to do with it.

In private, the president's exasperation has been even sharper. He has intermittently fumed for months over Mr. Sessions' decision to recuse himself from the investigation into Russian meddling in last year's election, according to people close to Mr. Trump who insisted on anonymity to describe internal conversations. In Mr. Trump's view, they said, it was that recusal that led eventually to the appointment of a special counsel who took over the investigation.

Behind-the-scenes frustration would not be unprecedented in the Oval Office. Other presidents have become estranged from the Justice Department over time, notably President Bill Clinton, who bristled at Attorney General Janet Reno's decisions to authorize investigations into him. But Mr. Trump's tweets on Monday made his feelings evident for all to see and raised questions about how he is managing his own administration.

"They wholly undercut the idea that there is some rational process behind the president's decisions," said Walter E. Dellinger, who served as acting solicitor general under Mr. Clinton. "I believe it is unprecedented for a president to publicly chastise his own Justice Department."


In his Twitter posts, Mr. Trump complained that his original executive order barring visitors from select Muslim-majority nations and refugees from around the world was revised in hopes of passing legal muster after it was struck down by multiple federal courts. The second version, however, has also been blocked, and last week the Justice Department appealed to the Supreme Court.

"The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.," Mr. Trump wrote.

Then he added: "The Justice Dept. should ask for an expedited hearing of the watered down Travel Ban before the Supreme Court — & seek much tougher version!"

But the messages caused considerable head scratching around Washington since it was Mr. Trump who signed the revised executive order and, presumably, agreed to the legal strategy in the first place. His posts made it sound like the Justice Department was not part of his administration.

The White House had little to add to the president's messages on Monday. Asked why Mr. Trump signed the revised order if he did not support it, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a White House spokeswoman, said he did it only to convince a California-based appeals court. "He was looking to, again, match the demands laid out by the 9th Circuit and, for the purpose of expediency, to start looking at the best way possible to move that process forward," she said.

Alan M. Dershowitz, a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School who has frequently defended Mr. Trump on cable news, said the president was clearly voicing frustration with Mr. Sessions. But he said it was not clear to him that it was a personal issue as opposed to an institutional one with the office.

"What he's saying is, 'I'm the president, I'm the tough guy, I wanted a very tough travel ban and the damn lawyers are weakening it' — and clients complain about lawyers all the time," Mr. Dershowitz said. "I see this more as a client complaining about his lawyer. The lawyer in this case happens to be Jeff Sessions."

David B. Rivkin Jr., a lawyer who served in the White House and Justice Department under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, said Mr. Trump clearly looked at the case from the lens of a businessman who did not get his money's worth.

"He's unhappy when the results don't come in," Mr. Rivkin said. "I'm sure he was convinced to try the second version, and the second iteration did not do better than the first iteration, so the lawyers in his book did not do a good job. It's understandable for a businessman."

Mr. Sessions and the Justice Department remained silent on Monday. But at least one lawyer close to the administration suggested that there was consternation in the department over the president's messages. George T. Conway III, who until last week was Mr. Trump's choice for assistant attorney general for the civil division and whose wife, Kellyanne Conway, is the president's counselor, posted a Twitter message suggesting that Mr. Trump's tweets "certainly won't help" persuade five justices on the Supreme Court — the majority needed — to uphold the travel ban.

In subsequent messages, Mr. Conway said that "every sensible lawyer" in the White House Counsel's Office and "every political appointee" at the Justice Department would "agree with me (as some have already told me)." Mr. Conway stressed that he strongly supports Mr. Trump — "and, of course, my wonderful wife" — and was making his points because the president's supporters "should not be shy about it."

The frustration over the travel ban might be a momentary episode were it not for the deeper resentment Mr. Trump feels toward Mr. Sessions, according to people close to the president. When Mr. Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation, Mr. Trump learned about it only when he was in the middle of another event, and he publicly questioned the decision.

A senior administration official said Mr. Trump has not stopped burning about the decision, in occasional spurts, toward Mr. Sessions. Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, who was selected by Mr. Sessions and filled in when it came to the Russia investigation, ultimately appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel to lead the probe.

In fact, much of the past two months of discomfort and self-inflicted pain for Mr. Trump can be tied in some way back to that recusal. Mr. Trump felt blindsided by Mr. Sessions's decision and unleashed his fury at aides in the Oval Office the next day, according to four people familiar with the event. The next day was his fateful tweet about President Barack Obama conducting a "wiretapp" of Trump Tower during the campaign, an allegation that was widely debunked.


However, Mr. Trump is said to be aware that firing people now, on the heels of dismissing James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, would be risky. He has invested care and meticulous attention to the next choice of an F.B.I. director in part because he will not have the option of firing another one. The same goes for Mr. Sessions, these people said.

Mr. Dershowitz said he thought any frustration over Mr. Sessions's recusal, like the travel ban, was probably not personal. "I think that's also institutional," he said. "Almost any A.G. would recuse himself. I think he's railing against lawyers."

Barrister

Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2017, 04:30:03 PM
Website called The Intercept (never heard of it before - apparently funded by a eBay billionaire, has previously posted a lot of Snowden material) is posting excepts from an NSA report detailing Russian (GRU specifically) attempts to phish data and plant malware in voting device manufacturers, and in turn, local electoral officials in the days leading up to the US election.

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

Seemingly to confirm the story, an NSA contractor is arrested in connection with this leak:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-feds-arrest-a-alleged-leaker/529248/

Surprised no one commented on this.  Here's some pretty hard confirmation the Russians tried to effect the election results.
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CountDeMoney

Already had pretty hard confirmation, this just adds to the pile, I suppose.

Valmy

I am not surprised by that at all. The thing that was surprising to me was that Trump's campaign may have actually had Russian stooges on it.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

It's a real shame that the concept of hacking is so completely accepted as an aspect of every day life, that another country's attempts to influence our election just isn't that big of a deal.  Talk about rotted from the inside.  Russians over Democrats.  Whodathunkit.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2017, 06:31:42 PM
The FBI really needs to wipe that silly ass smirk off Carter Page's face.  Something is very wrong with him.

The question is: who insinuated him into the Trump camp and how?
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 05, 2017, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2017, 06:31:42 PM
The FBI really needs to wipe that silly ass smirk off Carter Page's face.  Something is very wrong with him.

The question is: who insinuated him into the Trump camp and how?

I'm assuming it was from the Flynn-Manafort-Moscow connection, since he was in tight with Russian energy interests.

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2017, 10:11:40 PM
I am not surprised by that at all. The thing that was surprising to me was that Trump's campaign may have actually had Russian stooges on it.
had another discussion with my one of my uncle about that.  He still doesn't believe it's the Russians.  First, it was China or NK, now it's the Arabs.

Never figured him, a carreer bureaucrat, for a likely Trump supporter.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: viper37 on June 05, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Never figured him, a carreer bureaucrat, for a likely Trump supporter.

There's quite a few at the agency I'm at.  I think it's positively adorable they're going to learn what it's like to lose your job for making too much money.

garbon

Quote from: Grallon on June 05, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
Somebody didn't get laid this weekend.
Ah!  I haven't gotten laid in over 10 years...  So you can imagine how frustrated I am now dear Money.

G.

Question for you, G, did you ever feel contempt for the young ones (as they were) for partaking of carnal pleasures with you, on account of them not finding their joys with someone more age appropriate? Or were you always just grateful?
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garbon

http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/05/clay-higgins-facebook-post/

QuoteLouisiana Congressman Publishes Controversial Facebook Post Advocating Killing 'Islamic Terrorists'
Rep. Clay Higgins' Facebook post in response to June 2017 terror attacks in London has received mixed responses.

In early June 2017, just after seven people were killed and 48 more injured in a London terror attack, Rep. Clay Higgins (R-Louisiana) sparked controversy after he published a violently-worded post to Facebook:

QuoteThe free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror. Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all.

-Captain Clay Higgins
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Syt

QuoteDonald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump  7h

That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!

Yep, let's double down on that, to make it easier for the courts.
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Fate

Quote from: Syt on June 06, 2017, 03:26:45 AM
QuoteDonald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump  7h

That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!

Yep, let's double down on that, to make it easier for the courts.

Do you really think the Supreme Court is going to embarrass their Dear Leader? I don't have much hope for them upholding the 4th Circuit.