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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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sbr

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/05/15/when-president-trumps-bodyguard-revealed-jim-mattiss-private-cellphone-number/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.9b873009971d

QuoteWhen President Trump's bodyguard revealed Jim Mattis's private cellphone number

This Is Not Normal. It's a mantra among politics-watchers, an attempt to force ourselves to see clearly through the toxic levels of absurdity caking Washington these days. The poker-faced way the news is generally reported, it's feared, will normalize (for example) that the president is reportedly asking federal employees to swear loyalty to him personally, notwithstanding their oaths of loyalty to the country. So it's relatively difficult, on this side of the screen, to get across that these days things are basically always bonkers.

So I'm helping by sharing this story, today's entry in This Is Not Normal.

We got a call Friday from a reader named Paul Redmond that The Post had accidentally published Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis's private cell phone number.

A story about President Trump's bodyguard Keith Schiller, Redmond said, was accompanied by a photograph of the two of them walking on White House grounds. The bodyguard was holding a stack of papers, and, according to the caller, on the outside of those papers was a yellow sticky note that said "Jim, Mad Dog, Mattis" and had a phone number.

This of course sounds impossible. Way more care than that is taken around the president, right? The Secret Service is good at secrecy, generally. So I thanked the guy for the call and dubiously pulled up the photo in question. With the monitor turned 90 degrees and the photo blown up, indeed, I could make out a number and what might be "Jim, Mad Dog, Mattis," if you have better eyesight than mine even when I squint.

I called. I got the voice mail. It was him.

Yes, of course, the president's bodyguard — the guy famous for punching someone outside of Trump Tower, the guy who according to the story has the president's complete trust — is employing the yellow sticky note system of information security. I got the tingly sensation that means someone important should know this and told my co-worker Anna and then my boss and one of the reporters who wrote the article.

The Post has now replaced the picture in that article. I'm not sure what the protocol is, other than getting the secretary of defense a new phone number. We should feel lucky Paul Redmond of Orange County, Calif., saw it before the Russians. As far as we know.

Nothing. Is. Normal.

sbr

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.2472ce0e19c8

QuoteTrump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

By Greg Miller and Greg Jaffe May 15 at 5:01 PM

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump's disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump's decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump's meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

"This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump "revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies."

The revelation comes as Trump faces rising legal and political pressure on multiple Russia-related fronts. Last week, he fired FBI Director James B. Comey in the midst of a bureau investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Trump's subsequent admission that his decision was driven by "this Russia thing" was seen by critics as attempted obstruction of justice.

One day after dismissing Comey, Trump welcomed Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak — a key figure in earlier Russia controversies — into the Oval Office. It was during that meeting, officials said, that Trump went off script and began describing details about an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.

For most anyone in government discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.

"The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation," said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. "At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly."

The CIA declined to comment and the National Security Agency did not respond to requests for comment.

But officials expressed concern with Trump's handling of sensitive information as well as his grasp of the potential consequences. Exposure of an intelligence stream that has provided critical insight into the Islamic State, they said, could hinder the United States' and its allies' ability to detect future threats.

"It is all kind of shocking," said a former senior U.S. official close to current administration officials. "Trump seems to be very reckless, and doesn't grasp the gravity of the things he's dealing with, especially when it comes to intelligence and national security. And it's all clouded because of this problem he has with Russia."

In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. "I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day," Trump said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.

Trump went on to discuss aspects of the threat that the United States only learned through the espionage capabilities of a key partner. He did not reveal the specific intelligence gathering method, but described how the Islamic State was pursuing elements of a specific plot and how much harm such an attack could cause under varying circumstances. Most alarmingly, officials said, Trump revealed the city in the Islamic State's territory where the U.S. intelligence partner detected the threat.

The Washington Post is withholding most plot details, including the name of the city, at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.

"Everyone knows this stream is very sensitive and the idea of sharing it at this level of granularity with the Russians is troubling," said a former senior U.S. counterterrorism official who also worked closely with members of the Trump national security team. He and others spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the subject.

The identification of the location was seen as particularly problematic, officials said, because Russia could use that detail to help identify the U.S. ally or intelligence capability involved. Officials said that the capability could be useful for other purposes, possibly providing intelligence on Russia's presence in Syria. Moscow and would be keenly interested in identifying that source and possibly disrupting it.

Russia and the United States both regard the Islamic State as an enemy and share limited information about terrorist threats. But the two nations have competing agendas in Syria, where Moscow has deployed military assets and personnel to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"Russia could identify our sources or techniques," the senior U.S. official said. A former intelligence official who handled high-level intelligence on Russia said that given the clues Trump provided, "I don't think that it would be that hard [for Russian spy services] to figure this out."

At a more fundamental level, the information wasn't the United States' to provide to others. Under the rules of espionage, governments — and even individual agencies — are given significant control over whether and how the information they gather is disseminated even after it has been shared. Violating that practice undercuts trust considered essential to sharing secrets.

The officials declined to identify the ally, but said it is one that has previously voiced frustration with Washington's inability to safeguard sensitive information related to Iraq and Syria.

"If that partner learned we'd given this to Russia without their knowledge or asking first that is a blow to that relationship," the U.S. official said.

Trump also described measures that the United States has taken or is contemplating to counter the threat, including military operations in Iraq and Syria as well as other steps to tighten security, officials said.

The officials would not discuss details of those measures, but the Department of Homeland Security recently disclosed that it is considering banning laptops and other large electronic devices from carry-on bags on flights between Europe and the United States. The United States and Britain imposed a similar ban in March affecting travelers passing through airports in 10 Muslim-majority countries.

Trump cast the countermeasures in wistful terms. "Can you believe the world we live in today?" he said, according to one official. "Isn't it crazy."

Lavrov and Kislyak were also accompanied by aides.

A Russian photographer took photos of part of the session that were released by the Russian state-owned Tass news agency. No U.S. news organization was allowed to attend any part of the meeting.

Senior White House officials appeared to recognize quickly that Trump had overstepped and moved to contain the potential fallout.

Thomas P. Bossert, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, placed calls to the directors of the CIA and the NSA, services most directly involved in the intelligence-sharing arrangement with the partner.

One of Bossert's subordinates also called for the problematic portion of Trump's discussion to be stricken from internal memos and for the full transcript to be limited to a small circle of recipients, efforts to prevent sensitive details from being disseminated further or leaked.

Trump has repeatedly gone off-script in his dealings with high-ranking foreign officials, most notably in his contentious introductory conversation with the Australian Prime Minister earlier this year. He has also faced criticism for lax attention to security at his Florida retreat Mar-a-Lago, where he appeared to field preliminary reports of a North Korea missile launch in full view of casual diners.

U.S. officials said that the National Security Council continues to prepare multi-page briefings for Trump to guide him through conversations with foreign leaders but that he has insisted that the guidance be distilled to a single page of bullet points, and often ignores those.

"He seems to get in the room or on the phone and just goes with it — and that has big downsides," the second former official said. "Does he understand what's classified and what's not? That's what worries me."

Lavrov's reaction to the Trump disclosures was muted, officials said, calling for the United States to work more closely with Moscow on fighting terrorism.

Kislyak has figured prominently in damaging stories about the Trump administration's ties to Russia. Trump's initial national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign just 24 days into the job over his contacts with Kislyak and misleading statements about them. U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was forced to recuse himself from matters related to the FBI's Russia investigation after it was revealed that he had met and spoke with Kislyak despite denying any contact with Russian officials during his confirmation hearing.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on May 15, 2017, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 15, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
You need to stop thinking these people are trolling. If you are a neo-nazi for the Lolz, guess what? you are still a neo-nazi.

It just seems reactionary. Do they really like Russia or do they just hate the liberals so very much?

Liberals are, in fact, the biggest threat to our way of life, not the Russians. 

Didn't used to be that way, when communism was the threat to the way of life, and women, darkies, fags and immigrants knew their place.

HisMajestyBOB

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CountDeMoney


sbr

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
Nobody cares, sbr.

Oh I know. :(

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/751198307972767744

QuotePaul Ryan‏Verified account
@SpeakerRyan

It's simple: Individuals who are 'extremely careless' w/ classified info should be denied further access to it.

sbr

If only Trump had a vagina, we could be done with all of this in a couple of days.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2017, 04:29:30 PM
If only Trump had a vagina, we could be done with all of this in a couple of days.

A vagina never would've made it this far. 

garbon

Well look at that. Trump doesn't even have to hide that he's in bed with the Russian anymore. Awesome.
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Barrister

Quote from: garbon on May 15, 2017, 04:35:18 PM
Well look at that. Trump doesn't even have to hide that he's in bed with the Russian anymore. Awesome.

Is it better or worse if Trump didn't realize that he was leaking highly secret intelligence. :hmm:
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Barrister

Not highly classified intelligence, but still:

Trump's bodyguards have Jim Mattis's private phone number kept on the outside of a file folder with a yellow sticky, allow themselves to be photographed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/05/15/when-president-trumps-bodyguard-revealed-jim-mattiss-private-cellphone-number/?utm_term=.12d8fbff8cb3
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

FunkMonk

God I love the fact that my fat dumb president has zero common sense and absolutely no judgement. God damn it feels good to be American.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

Savonarola

Quote from: FunkMonk on May 15, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
God I love the fact that my fat dumb president has zero common sense and absolutely no judgement. God damn it feels good to be American.

He's not fat; he's merely storing energy.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Malthus

Quote from: Jacob on May 15, 2017, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 15, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
The question is how far they will go to offend-for-kicks. The implication of "well, they are just trolling" is that there are limits to how far they will go.

I don't think there's any such implication. IMO "we're just trolling" is purely a play to avoid consequence and/ or claim victory from outcomes that previously would've been considered a defeat.

That's a different issue.

People pulling this shit saying "We are just trolling" means what you said.

Folks like Valmy, who would never in a million years pull this shit, saying of someone else pulling this shit "They are just trolling" means something more along the lines of 'they aren't real Nazis, they just say this shit to annoy people'.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Barrister

Quote from: FunkMonk on May 15, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
God I love the fact that my fat dumb president has zero common sense and absolutely no judgement. God damn it feels good to be American.

Murica.  :cool:
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.