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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Syt

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LaCroix

it's a fair point when the average american hears more about one of trump's tweets than a terrorist attack. the guardian missed trump's point--average americans don't read the guardian.

mongers

Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
it's a fair point when the average american hears more about one of trump's tweets than a terrorist attack. the guardian missed trump's point--average americans don't read the guardian.

Your defence of the Trump position is that the average American/trump supporter doesn't read the mainstream media that does report on terrorist attack, presumably preferring to consume the social media that says 'the mainstream media doesn't report terrorist attacks'   :hmm:
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frunk

Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2017, 10:29:54 AM
Here's BBC's equivalent list: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38890090?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

Though obviously the Trumpettes will say that the attacks weren't covered nearly enough.

I'm willing to bet that the average terrorist attack gets way more reporting than an equivalent non-terrorist attack.  When was the last time a knife attack not in Paris got any reporting?

grumbler

Quote from: mongers on February 07, 2017, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 07, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 07, 2017, 10:16:46 AM
an internal party coup that replaces him with the VP, the cabinet et al ruling him unfit for office via whatever polite formula they can devise.

So, an impeachment

No rather than the spectacle that was the Clinton impeachment show, we have swift internal coup that forces Trump to step down on say medical grounds, done and dusted in a morning. 

Now whatever dirt they use on him to force him to co-operate, doesn't matter just so long as it has the desired effect, they could probably get his odd personal doctor to sign a long term sick note also.

The removal process takes, ultimately, a 2/3 majority of both houses to maintain, so impeachment is easier.  That's even assuming, as you do, that Trump's hand-picked Assistant Trumpeters would be willing to turn against him.
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grumbler

Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
it's a fair point when the average american hears more about one of trump's tweets than a terrorist attack. the guardian missed trump's point--average americans don't read the guardian.

I don't think the guardian missed Trump's point at all.  Trump decided that a lie would serve his interests better than the truth, so he lied.  It is true that the Guardian missed the point that it is not necessary to actually say that trump's tweet is a lie; anyone can see when a trump tweet is a lie:  It has words in it.
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derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on February 07, 2017, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2017, 09:44:55 AM
Maxine Waters said Trump will eventually need to be impeached.  She went on to say that Putin is advancing further into Korea.  You guys might be right about this "end of the world" shit :o

I bet Waters is the most reported on Democratic politician on Breitbart.

You'd probably know better than I, but she does provide plenty of material.
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garbon

Quote from: grumbler on February 07, 2017, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
it's a fair point when the average american hears more about one of trump's tweets than a terrorist attack. the guardian missed trump's point--average americans don't read the guardian.

I don't think the guardian missed Trump's point at all.  Trump decided that a lie would serve his interests better than the truth, so he lied.  It is true that the Guardian missed the point that it is not necessary to actually say that trump's tweet is a lie; anyone can see when a trump tweet is a lie:  It has words in it.

Of course it is understandable that all news orgs might want to put out a version noting they actually covered things as a refutation.
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Tamas

Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2017, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 07, 2017, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
it's a fair point when the average american hears more about one of trump's tweets than a terrorist attack. the guardian missed trump's point--average americans don't read the guardian.

I don't think the guardian missed Trump's point at all.  Trump decided that a lie would serve his interests better than the truth, so he lied.  It is true that the Guardian missed the point that it is not necessary to actually say that trump's tweet is a lie; anyone can see when a trump tweet is a lie:  It has words in it.

Of course it is understandable that all news orgs might want to put out a version noting they actually covered things as a refutation.

It is a very new situation where the POTUS is on the intelligence level of your average far-right conspiracy nut case,and is not afraid to show it.

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If the media can be blamed for anything in terms of terrorist coverage, it's giving too much play not too little. 
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 06, 2017, 05:26:39 PM
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Does that still applies for legal business forms were the owner is not legally seperated from its business?  I suppose you also have an equivalent of what we have here, very small businesses operating under a business name, but not incorporated, therefore from a legal and fiscal point of view, there is no difference between the owner and the business?

A person can operate a business as a sole proprietership, which is indistinguishable from the person.
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Berkut

If the Republicans are willing to confirm someone that transparently terrible, they might as well just all resign en masse - they clearly are just there to rubber stamp whatever Trump tells them.
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