What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[merithyn]

American born, American passport, NASA scientist, returning home from Chili, has never visited any of the seven "questionable" countries... still detained by CBP and forced to give his phone and PIN in order to be released.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nasa-scientists-detained-border-phone-unlock-trump-immigration-a7577906.html

A US-born NASA scientist said he was detained by customs officials and not permitted to enter the country unless he unlocked his PIN-protected work phone.

Sidd Bikkannavar, who works in NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), was detained by US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP)  on January 30, upon returning to the United States from Santiago, Chile.

Mr Bikkannavar is a natural-born US citizen enrolled in CBP's Global Entry programme, which allows participants who have undergone a background check to speed up their entry into the US. He had not visited any of the countries mentioned in Donald Trump's Muslim travel ban, but Mr Bikkannavar told The Verge that agents may be become suspicious about his family name, which is southern Indian.

"Sorry for my absence. On my way back home to the US last weekend, I was detained by Homeland Security and held with others who were stranded under the Muslim ban," he wrote on Facebook.

"CBP officers seized my phone and wouldn't release me until I gave them my  access PIN for them to copy the data. I initially refused since it's a JPL-issued phone and I must protect access."

He added: "Just to be clear - I'm a US-born citizen and NASA engineer, traveling with a valid US-visa."

Mr Bikkannavar said he was eventually released. His employers gave him a new phone.

Yet he told The Verge, he had yet to receive an explanation for why he was stopped at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport. He had travelled to South America for personal reasons, pursuing his hobby of racing solar-powered cars. He had recently joined a Chilean team.

"It was not that they were concerned with me bringing something dangerous in, because they didn't even touch the bags," he said.

"They had no way of knowing I could have had something in there. You can say, 'Okay well maybe it's about making sure I'm not a dangerous person', but they have all the information to verify that."

[CountDeMoney]

"CBP officers seized my phone and wouldn't release me until I gave them my  access PIN for them to copy the data. I initially refused since it's a JPL-issued phone and I must protect access."

So easy to get people fired these days:  by getting them to do things to fire themselves. 

[merithyn]

"CBP officers seized my phone and wouldn't release me until I gave them my  access PIN for them to copy the data. I initially refused since it's a JPL-issued phone and I must protect access."

So easy to get people fired these days:  by getting them to do things to fire themselves.

I think my response would have been, "Here is my boss' phone number. Call him and ask him if it's okay."

[Syt]

I'm sure the Kremlin has top men looking into the data as we speak. Top. Men.

[CountDeMoney]

"CBP officers seized my phone and wouldn't release me until I gave them my  access PIN for them to copy the data. I initially refused since it's a JPL-issued phone and I must protect access."

So easy to get people fired these days:  by getting them to do things to fire themselves.

I think my response would have been, "Here is my boss' phone number. Call him and ask him if it's okay."

That would still be an absolute no-no.

You tell them to be sure to take it out of its case, so it doesn't hurt as much when they shove it up their asses.
Then you sit down.  And wait.

[Oexmelin]

I think my response would have been, "Here is my boss' phone number. Call him and ask him if it's okay."

With all due respect, I hope it would have been your response, but being in CBP detention is fucking scary, added to the fact that it now happens to people who never had to imagine themselves in this situation. No one in this situation exactly knows the extent of the CBP officers' power, it is hugely discretionary anyways, and will become even more so in the future. You don't really know what you have the right to refuse, what the consequences are, or any of this shit - and in the moment, you do not fully know how you will react. A mention in your file fucks up your travel, your career, and possibly your stay in the country. 

[Syt]

People will have noticed Trump's tendency to do a "yank & pull" handshake, generally interpreted as a power play. One of the more awkward examples was when he congratulated Gorsuch on his SCOTUS nomination.

Justin Trudeau apparently did his homework and stood fast: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/831171027845554176/video/1

[CountDeMoney]

You don't give your password to your JPL-issued cellular telephone to a high school graduate, it doesn't matter how much they can fuck with you.  Which is why they have people like supervisors to make sure they don't do stupid shit like this.

[viper37]

American born, American passport, NASA scientist, returning home from Chili, has never visited any of the seven "questionable" countries... still detained by CBP and forced to give his phone and PIN in order to be released.

similar things happens to Canadian citizens with Canadian passport.  Not a muslim ban, but anyone with a muslim sounding name is triple checked and denied entry to the US if he isn't a citizen.

[Grey Fox]

People will have noticed Trump's tendency to do a "yank & pull" handshake, generally interpreted as a power play. One of the more awkward examples was when he congratulated Gorsuch on his SCOTUS nomination.

Justin Trudeau apparently did his homework and stood fast: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/831171027845554176/video/1

[garbon]

I think my response would have been, "Here is my boss' phone number. Call him and ask him if it's okay."

With all due respect, I hope it would have been your response, but being in CBP detention is fucking scary, added to the fact that it now happens to people who never had to imagine themselves in this situation. No one in this situation exactly knows the extent of the CBP officers' power, it is hugely discretionary anyways, and will become even more so in the future. You don't really know what you have the right to refuse, what the consequences are, or any of this shit - and in the moment, you do not fully know how you will react. A mention in your file fucks up your travel, your career, and possibly your stay in the country. 

Reminds me I should travel about with a few lawyer's numbers on hand.

[Grey Fox]

I love how when ever Trudeau switches to French, the americans faces get so dumbfounded.

[grumbler]

I love how when ever Trudeau switches to French, the americans faces get so dumbfounded.

Sorta like when you switch to English?

[FunkMonk]

With all the leaks and opsec violations and general incompetence plaguing this administration the Israelis/Chinese/Russians/Martians must be having a field day at their spy agencies

[Syt]

I love how when ever Trudeau switches to French, the americans faces get so dumbfounded.

"You are invited to a demonstration of the wonders of multilingualism. No scribes allowed."