What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Brain]

American non-exceptionalism can be so tiresome.

[Oexmelin]

American successes are exceptional. American problems are just the same as everywhere else. Except when they aren't. So whatever solutions are concocted elsewhere to meet them are in fact irrelevant.

[Syt]

Mr President, your IV mark is seeping through the band aid.

[The Brain]

If he bleeds we can vote him out of the White House.

[Razgovory]

There's like four countries in Europe that hasn't seen a collapse of their government in the last 100 years.  The problems of the US are mirrored in every country in Europe.  Let's not pretend otherwise.

Really? What do you think problems are? Because I'm not sure if they're mirrored everywhere.

Right-wing populism, Religious and ethnic intolerance, contempt of expertise, paranoia about global elites, a willingness to jettison democratic norms for political gains...

[Hamilcar]

American non-exceptionalism can be so tiresome.

This.

[Tamas]

First of all, Raz has it right, the general political trends int he US match what's happening everywhere else. It mixes with their gun control and race issues to make it unique but that's it. Plus the latter is just unique to them in the scale and history of it. I think in a lot of European countries racism is much more laid back and a sort of more subtle part of life.

Secondly, everyone tends to protect their country against outside opinion. The US posters are clearly doing it here but so do the Swedes for example. "Yeah lotsa' more people died here than elsewhere but this is science over here not politics".

[Sheilbh]

First of all, Raz has it right, the general political trends int he US match what's happening everywhere else. It mixes with their gun control and race issues to make it unique but that's it. Plus the latter is just unique to them in the scale and history of it. I think in a lot of European countries racism is much more laid back and a sort of more subtle part of life.

I think the other bit and slightly unique factors in the US are faith, media, the judiciary and that this "trend" has basicaly launched a hostile takeover of the mainstream party on the right. And, obviously, they're in power.

I think there's a bit of a temptation to view race too much as an "American" issue. The French government have pretty strongly rejected the idea of reviewing statues but various Lycees are being renamed but they're being renamed things like Lycee Martin Luther King Jr, Lycee Rosa Parks etc. I think it would maybe be better if they were re-named after French black and minority figures, e.g. Gaston Monnerville, Josephine Baker, Aime Cesaire.

I think it's fair to say there are similar movements - though I think "trend" is too inevitable a word, these are very much contingent facts - in Europe and the US. Part of this is deliberate - these parties do interact, they know each other, they read and write about each other and learn lessons from each other. But I have been reading the Light that Failed and about the new book by David Broder First They Took Rome - and I feel like maybe we are guilty of over-generalising and maybe the differences and specifics are more important.

Edit: Stolen from Syt in the other thread. Re things that seem very specific to America at this moment:

[Admiral Yi]

I think it would maybe be better if they were re-named after French black and minority figures, e.g. ...Josephine Baker.

[Syt]

I think it would maybe be better if they were re-named after French black and minority figures, e.g. ...Josephine Baker.

She was a citizen from 1937, and did pretty much all her work in and for France, including supporting the La Résistance during WW2.

[Admiral Yi]

Didn't know she took citizenship.

[The Brain]

The US: I'm not like other countries

Other countries: omg same

[Tonitrus]

The US: I'm not like other countries

Other countries: omg same

Not smug enough.

[Sheilbh]

The US: I'm not like other countries

Other countries: omg same

I always remember the time Obama said basically this, which just proved how much he hated America

[merithyn]

I think it would maybe be better if they were re-named after French black and minority figures, e.g. ...Josephine Baker.

She was a citizen from 1937, and did pretty much all her work in and for France, including supporting the La Résistance during WW2.

And was pretty much rejected in the United States. So yeah, she's French because the US sucked/sucks.