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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Sheilbh

I think France gets to have a stake in anyone who fought for the resistance. Similarly I'd argue Beckett is fully Irish and fully French (he also wrote a number of his works in French first).
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Zoupa

You can be French without citizenship anyway.

Like my granpa used to say, La France, c'est une certaine façon de couper le saucisson.

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I think it would maybe be better if they were re-named after French black and minority figures, e.g. ...Josephine Baker.

:hmm:

She was a citizen from 1937, and did pretty much all her work in and for France, including supporting the La Résistance during WW2. :frog:

And was pretty much rejected in the United States. So yeah, she's French because the US sucked/sucks.

She accomplished the great Missourian dream: Get as far away from Missouri as possible.
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grumbler

Josephine Baker thought of herself as French, so she was French as far as I am concerned.

Though she was not "pretty much rejected in the United States."  She just didn't want to make the compromises necessary to continue her career in a country where race posed such a barrier.   It was her considerable success in the US that got her to Paris to begin with.  She became a French citizen when she married her second husband, who was French.
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I didn't know who she was until HOI4.  :Embarrass:

merithyn

Quote from: grumbler on August 03, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
Josephine Baker thought of herself as French, so she was French as far as I am concerned.

Though she was not "pretty much rejected in the United States."  She just didn't want to make the compromises necessary to continue her career in a country where race posed such a barrier.   It was her considerable success in the US that got her to Paris to begin with.  She became a French citizen when she married her second husband, who was French.

She became famous in France. In the US, she'd been a chorus girl, and in blackface shows, which is how she got to France in the first place. Not exactly winning them over. In France, she was very quickly a star. So I guess it's all in how you look at it. Would she have ever been as famous in the US as she was in France in the 1920s? Seems unlikely, but you'll argue that means the US didn't "reject" her. Okay, fine. I disagree, but you won't care, so take the point.

And the guy in France was definitely not her second husband. Her second husband was named Willie Baker, from whence she derived her name, and she married him in St. Louis when she was 15 years old. She married her first husband at 13. Her third and fourth husbands were, however, French.
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Valmy

Quote from: merithyn on August 03, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
Her second husband was named Willie Baker, from whence she derived her name, and she married him in St. Louis when she was 15 years old. She married her first husband at 13.

Ah the good old days.
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grumbler

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Her second husband was named Willie Baker, from whence she derived her name, and she married him in St. Louis when she was 15 years old. She married her first husband at 13.

Ah the good old days.

Yeah, though the "marriage" to Willie Wells was never legal, as the age of consent (and marriage) was 14.  The "marriage" only lasted a matter of weeks (probably until Wells discovered her actual age).
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merithyn

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Quote from: merithyn on August 03, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
Her second husband was named Willie Baker, from whence she derived her name, and she married him in St. Louis when she was 15 years old. She married her first husband at 13.

Ah the good old days.

Yeah, though the "marriage" to Willie Wells was never legal, as the age of consent (and marriage) was 14.  The "marriage" only lasted a matter of weeks (probably until Wells discovered her actual age).

Not the bio that I read. He knew exactly how old she was; her family was at the wedding. She left him to act.

The fun thing is Josephine told a ton of stories about her youth, and nobody knew which was real and which wasn't. She was a remarkable woman, and an even more remarkable storyteller.
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Josquius

I didn't notice this had been made sticky.
Funnily enough makes it harder to notice.

Jesus this tiktok stuff is getting insane. Trump has gone full Mugabe

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Sheilbh

#27205
Some bits of the Axios interview - Trump on John Lewis ("he didn't come to my inauguration"):
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1290494089369026560?s=20

On covid testing/deaths (Trump has brought charts!):
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1290497186489348096?s=20

Overall interview is here:
https://www.axios.com/full-axios-hbo-interview-donald-trump-cd5a67e1-6ba1-46c8-bb3d-8717ab9f3cc5.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

Edit: Incidentally for Yi - I seem to remember us going back and forward about interviewers being aggressive/challenging. This is what I mean it's someone who's clearly done their research and can and will actually push back. Best UK version is Andrew Neil, but I feel like it's more common in UK/Australian political culture than the US where interviews always seem, to me, generally very friendly and deferential.

Edit: Or US interviewers like to ask long-wandering potentially leading questions which are easy to bat away, as opposed to just relatively direct questions then pushing back with evidence.
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Oexmelin

Quote from: Sheilbh on August 04, 2020, 04:11:41 AM
Edit: Or US interviewers like to ask long-wandering potentially leading questions which are easy to bat away, as opposed to just relatively direct questions then pushing back with evidence.

Exactly. Political journalism in the US has long been about offering a platform for politicians to do their spiels - either to give a rebuttal from an existing narrative, or to provide them the space to produce one. It was thought to be the price of access. 
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grumbler

Yeah, imagine of Mike Wallace had actually taken the cognitive test Trump was so proud of, and confronted him with first-person evidence that the test was a doddle!

Sadly, he is an American journalist, and the smug Euros tell me American political journalists don't do those sorts of things.  And they would know.
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