What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

The Minsky Moment

The President called actual Nazis who marched in a rally with swastikas and murdered a young woman "fine people."  I don't think psycho Miller's psycho emails can move the dial after that.
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The Minsky Moment

Jews promise to never forget the Holocaust but the fact that even 1 Jew supports Donald Trump is proof it is just lip service for many.  Some people will never learn. 
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DGuller

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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2019, 06:51:25 PM
Jews promise to never forget the Holocaust but the fact that even 1 Jew supports Donald Trump is proof it is just lip service for many.  Some people will never learn.
Ironically, the older the Soviet immigrant Jews are, they more likely they are to support Trump to the point of brain death.  The more likely they are to be able to literally remember that fascists may have a wider definition of subhumans than they do, the less likely they are to act appropriately given that information.

Syt

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-intervenes-in-military-justice-cases-granting-three-pardons/

QuoteTrump intervenes in military justice cases, granting three pardons

President Trump announced three acts of executive clemency Friday involving members of the military accused of war crimes. He pardoned a former U.S. Army commando who was to stand trial next year in the killing of a suspected Afghan bomb-maker and a former Army lieutenant convicted of murder for ordering his men to fire upon three Afghans, killing two, the White House announced late Friday.

Mr. Trump also ordered a promotion for a decorated Navy SEAL convicted of posing with a dead Islamic State captive in Iraq.

The president had said earlier this year that he was considering issuing the pardons.

"Some of these soldiers are people that have fought hard and long," he said in May. "You know, we teach them how to be great fighters, and then when they fight sometimes they get really treated very unfairly." At the time, Mr. Trump acknowledged opposition to the possible pardons by some veterans and other groups and said he could make a decision after trials had been held.

One of the pardons went to Major Mathew Golsteyn, a former Green Beret accused of killing a suspected bomb-maker during a 2010 deployment to Afghanistan. Golsteyn was leading a team of Army Special Forces at the time and believed that the man was responsible for an explosion that killed two U.S. Marines.

He has argued that the Afghan was a legal target because of his behavior at the time of the shooting.

The second pardon went to 1st Lieutenant Clint Lorance, who had been convicted of murder for ordering his soldiers to fire upon three unarmed Afghan men in July 2012, killing two. Lorance has served more than six years of a 19-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

The president also ordered a promotion for Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Edward Gallagher, the Navy SEAL convicted of posing with a dead Islamic State captive in Iraq in 2017. Gallagher was in line for a promotion before he was prosecuted, but he lost that and was reduced in rank after the conviction.

Last month Admiral Mike Gilday, the U.S. chief of naval operations, denied a request for clemency for Gallagher and upheld a military jury's sentence that reduced his rank by one step. One of Gallagher's lawyers, Timothy Parlatore, said then that ruling would cost Gallagher up to $200,000 in retirement funds because of his loss of rank from a chief petty officer to a 1st class petty officer.

Gallagher ultimately was acquitted of the most serious charges against him. Grisham said the reinstatement of the promotion was "justified," given Gallagher's service.

"There are no words to adequately express how grateful my family and I are to our President - Donald J. Trump - for his intervention and decision," Gallagher said in a statement on Instagram. "I truly believe that we are blessed as a nation to have a Commander-in-Chief that stands up for our warfighters, and cares about how they and their families are treated."

Parlatore said Friday that his client had received a telephone call from President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence informing him of the news.

Golsteyn's trial by court-martial initially had been scheduled for December but was postponed until February 19 to give attorneys more time to prepare.

In a statement Friday, Golsteyn said his family is "profoundly grateful" for Trump's pardon.

"We have lived in constant fear of this runaway prosecution. Thanks to President Trump, we now have a chance to rebuild our family and lives. With time, I hope to regain my immense pride in having served in our military," Golsteyn said.

His defense attorney, Phillip Stackhouse, said he was "confident we would have prevailed in trial, but this action by the President expedited justice in this case."

Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's National Security Project, said the actions amounted to an "utterly shameful use of presidential powers."

"Trump has sent a clear message of disrespect for law, morality, the military justice system, and those in the military who abide by the laws of war," Shamsi said in a statement.

Defense officials, including Defense Secretary Mark Esper met with Trump and provided him information on the cases.

Asked last week if he supported the exoneration of Gallagher, Golsteyn and Lorance, Esper told reporters that he had a "robust discussion" with the president about the issue and offered his advice and recommendations. He declined to provide more details, but said, "I do have full confidence in the military justice system and we'll let things play out as they play out."

Former Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey condemned the president's decision to clear the men, tweeting, "Absent evidence of innocence or injustice the wholesale pardon of US servicemembers accused of war crimes signals our troops and allies that we don't take the Law of Armed Conflict seriously. Bad message. Bad precedent. Abdication of moral responsibility. Risk to us. #Leadership."

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Razgovory

So Trump doesn't understand the difference between war and murder?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Syt

I think when Muslim brown skinned people are involved he doesn't particularly care.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Razgovory

Quote from: Syt on November 16, 2019, 04:39:59 AM
I think when Muslim brown skinned people are involved he doesn't particularly care.


There is a troubling number of people like that today.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Iormlund

Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 16, 2019, 04:39:59 AM
I think when Muslim brown skinned people are involved he doesn't particularly care.


There is a troubling number of people like that today.

Don't worry, he'll build that wall.

Tamas

Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 16, 2019, 04:39:59 AM
I think when Muslim brown skinned people are involved he doesn't particularly care.


There is a troubling number of people like that today.

No, they just don't feel like they need to keep such opinions to themselves anymore. To be fair, it was a fairly short window of time when contempt and disinterest for ubermensch was totally out of the limit of acceptable, and that only was because access to have your opinion aired was through a strict filter of journalists and such. These opinions have always existed, if anything, there was more of it, not less. You were more shielded from it because not only the media didn't give it ground but also actively wanted you to not know it existed.

dps

Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2019, 04:22:37 AM
So Trump doesn't understand the difference between war and murder?

Gallagher was acquitted of murder;  I don't know any of the details, but I'm not sure that it's unreasonable to pardon him for posing for a pic with the dead body. 

I don't much about the Golsteyn case but my understanding is that he hadn't actually been tried yet;  I think it would have been better to wait for the outcome of the court martial. 

I don't know a lot about the Lorance case either, but from what little I do know, I don't see any reason to pardon him.

Razgovory

Quote from: dps on November 17, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2019, 04:22:37 AM
So Trump doesn't understand the difference between war and murder?

Gallagher was acquitted of murder;  I don't know any of the details, but I'm not sure that it's unreasonable to pardon him for posing for a pic with the dead body. 

I don't much about the Golsteyn case but my understanding is that he hadn't actually been tried yet;  I think it would have been better to wait for the outcome of the court martial. 

I don't know a lot about the Lorance case either, but from what little I do know, I don't see any reason to pardon him.

Pardons are suppose to accompany contrition.  Trumps reasoning is that these people are trained to kill and so they should be allowed to kill.  If they are incapable of distinguishing between murder and war they shouldn't be allowed to be free.  They are a threat to everyone they are around.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: dps on November 17, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
Gallagher was acquitted of murder;  I don't know any of the details, but I'm not sure that it's unreasonable to pardon him for posing for a pic with the dead body. 

He wasn't merely pardoned; the President ordered that his demotion be reversed and that he be promoted in rank.
The clear message is that the rules of military discipline and justice will not be enforced against personnel who abuse civilians as long as those civilians are Muslims.  Aside from the moral bankruptcy of that position, it undermines military discipline and US foreign policy objectives in the region.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Brain

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 17, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: dps on November 17, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
Gallagher was acquitted of murder;  I don't know any of the details, but I'm not sure that it's unreasonable to pardon him for posing for a pic with the dead body. 

He wasn't merely pardoned; the President ordered that his demotion be reversed and that he be promoted in rank.
The clear message is that the rules of military discipline and justice will not be enforced against personnel who abuse civilians as long as those civilians are Muslims.  Aside from the moral bankruptcy of that position, it undermines military discipline and US foreign policy objectives in the region.

In fairness the US has promised its ally Russia to commit retarded seppuku.
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The Minsky Moment

On Sunday, just before his huge twitter fit on impeachment Trump retweeted another tweet reporting an verbal attack by Kim Jung-Un against Joe Biden.  Trump's tweet addressed the dictator as "Mr. Chairman".
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson