Who Do You Root For: Hundred Years War

[Maladict]

 

[Martinus]

France. England had no just cause, and in any case it was mistake for it to be so involved in the continent.

[The Brain]

I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

WTF dude. Troll some other board.

[Archy]

Perfidious Albion

[Josquius]

France does suck.
But "english" victory in the 100yw means yet more centuries under the french heel.

[Sheilbh]

Obvs.

[Duque de Bragança]

Early in the conflict a quick and decisive "English" victory means England gets Frenchified in the long run, The Tyr horror scenario.  After all, French, the Anglo-Norman variety, was most used at the court. The Pleading in English Act came in 1362, with English becoming the official language of government later on.

[garbon]

Joan of Arc is like the worst. Obvs.

[Sheilbh]

[Martinus]

Joan of Arc rocks. If you can get Gilles de Rais to follow you, you can get anyone.

[garbon]

I'm a crazed girl who preys on desperate men.

[Oexmelin]

The war's actual outcome was about as positive for future development as we could have hoped for, so that's what i "root for."  A long-term English crown presence in France would have delayed or even stopped the development of the system of common law and devolved powers that made England (and later, Britain) the cockpit of democracy, liberalism, and market capitalism.  A longer stay on the continent would have reinforced absolutism and sucked the economy dry of money to pay for wars.

This relies on the tautology that things have unfolded the way they did because they unfolded the way they did. "Absolutist" France did not develop in a linear fashion.

[celedhring]

Whoever wins, we lose scenario for me.

[Valmy]

This relies on the tautology that things have unfolded the way they did because they unfolded the way they did. "Absolutist" France did not develop in a linear fashion.

Yeah France was much less centralized and much less absolutist than England. After all it was French nobles and their traditions of autonomy that led to Magna Carta anyway. Simon de Montfort anybody?

It was the Hundred Years War that changed that.

[Valmy]

I'm a crazed girl who preys on desperate men.

Any teenage peasant girl in the Middle Ages who manages to prey on full grown noblemen is pretty awesome in my book.