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Who Do You Root For: Hundred Years War

Started by Admiral Yi, August 27, 2016, 07:24:57 PM

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England
17 (43.6%)
France
18 (46.2%)
Heideger Jaronische Reich
4 (10.3%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Admiral Yi

I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

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I don't particularly root for either side.

I do like Henry V and Joan of Arc.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

Uh, me. Lancaster sucks.
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grumbler

The war's actual outcome was about as positive for future development as we could have hoped for, so that's what i "root for."  A long-term English crown presence in France would have delayed or even stopped the development of the system of common law and devolved powers that made England (and later, Britain) the cockpit of democracy, liberalism, and market capitalism.  A longer stay on the continent would have reinforced absolutism and sucked the economy dry of money to pay for wars.
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Sophie Scholl

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

Uh, me. Lancaster sucks.
Seriously.  Who the hell would support the Lancaster or Tudor factions?  York is the only legitimate option and legitimate claim. :bowler:
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 27, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

Uh, me. Lancaster sucks.
Seriously.  Who the hell would support the Lancaster or Tudor factions?  York is the only legitimate option and legitimate claim. :bowler:

I might name my next kid "Rutland".
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grumbler

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 27, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
I was thinking about a who root for poll on the War of the Roses, but at this point I can't see anyone voting for the Yorkists.

Uh, me. Lancaster sucks.
Seriously.  Who the hell would support the Lancaster or Tudor factions?  York is the only legitimate option and legitimate claim. :bowler:

"Right of conquest" is the basis for the York claim to the throne, so it is no more legitimate than Lancaster or Tudor.  In fact, Henry VII is probably more legitimate than the others because he claimed to be the conqueror himself, not the watered-down descendant of a conqueror.
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Sophie Scholl

Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2016, 09:06:03 PM
"Right of conquest" is the basis for the York claim to the throne, so it is no more legitimate than Lancaster or Tudor.  In fact, Henry VII is probably more legitimate than the others because he claimed to be the conqueror himself, not the watered-down descendant of a conqueror.
Meh.  He only managed that as there weren't any other major claimants left over to oppose him and it allowed him to declare any supporter of Richard III as a traitor and attain them.  He initially drew on his ties to the Plantagenet Dynasty as his claim prior to Bosworth and married Elizabeth of York to firm up the familial claim and lineage aspect.  Edward could have claimed his rule via "Right of Conquest", but the better and more respectable route was via lineage at the point in time.
"Everything that brought you here -- all the things that made you a prisoner of past sins -- they are gone. Forever and for good. So let the past go... and live."

"Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did."

Sophie Scholl

Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2016, 08:49:15 PM
The war's actual outcome was about as positive for future development as we could have hoped for, so that's what i "root for."  A long-term English crown presence in France would have delayed or even stopped the development of the system of common law and devolved powers that made England (and later, Britain) the cockpit of democracy, liberalism, and market capitalism.  A longer stay on the continent would have reinforced absolutism and sucked the economy dry of money to pay for wars.
This option for the poll at hand.
"Everything that brought you here -- all the things that made you a prisoner of past sins -- they are gone. Forever and for good. So let the past go... and live."

"Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did."

Valmy

Quote from: garbon on August 27, 2016, 07:50:14 PM
Not France. Have you seen that country?

Yeah it is amazing :hmm:

Or at least it was 16 or so years ago.

France of course. Even though the English aggression that triggered the war set up the system that allowed the French King to tax without having to call the Estates which I consider a rather unfortunate development. It is hard to imagine a world where the war was not fought though so who knows how things might have developed? There probably might not even be a France today with how decentralized it was at the time. Who knows?
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