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Started by Jacob, June 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM

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Jacob

June 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Interesting article in the Atlantic about a Coptic manuscript mentioning "Jesus' wife". Thought it might be of interest to some languishers.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/the-unbelievable-tale-of-jesus-wife/485573/

The Brain

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June 16, 2016, 11:25:57 AM
Didn't click since it's unbelievable.
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Barrister

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June 16, 2016, 11:29:56 AM
It's a very interesting article.  I had read it before Jake posted it here.

It's not really a story of ancient Christianity - it's a story of trying to track down the provenance of the papyrus scrap, which leads to 1980s East Germany.
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The Minsky Moment

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June 16, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
There exists an large body of ancient Jesus literature aside from the canonical and even non-canonical gospels.  Including amusing stories about his childhood exploits.
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Caliga

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June 16, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
There is apocrypha stating that Jesus was married as well as apocrypha stating he was gay.  Of course, that doesn't make any of it true. :sleep:

I've always assumed Jesus was married because he was a rabbi and apparently very charismatic, and rabbis are supposed to be married.
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Razgovory

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June 16, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
"University of Eastern Pee-Pee Land"

:lol:

So, I take it that the author believes it was a forgery.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Jacob

#6
June 16, 2016, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
"University of Eastern Pee-Pee Land"

:lol:

So, I take it that the author believes it was a forgery.

Seems the conclusion, yes.

It's an interesting cast of characters and a nice piece of investigation.

Razgovory

#7
June 16, 2016, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2016, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
"University of Eastern Pee-Pee Land"

:lol:

So, I take it that the author believes it was a forgery.

Seems the conclusion, yes.

It's an interesting cast of characters and a nice piece of investigation.

Yeah, the guy did the leg work.  That's becoming so rare these days.  I had a bad feeling when he started with internet searches, but was happy to read that he went to meet these people.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

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June 16, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
It would make me sad to think that Jesus had a mother in law :(
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Malthus

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June 16, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 16, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
I've always assumed Jesus was married because he was a rabbi and apparently very charismatic, and rabbis are supposed to be married.

Yup.
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Valmy

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June 16, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
Rabbis were not really a thing back then though. I mean not as an institution. He was a member, and eventual leader, of a weird millennialist cult so we cannot assume he had some kind of conventional life. Also it seems likely he was the son of an unmarried mother, with several half-brothers and sisters, and came from a class of landless laborers.
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Caliga

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June 16, 2016, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 16, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
Rabbis were not really a thing back then though. I mean not as an institution. He was a member, and eventual leader, of a weird millennialist cult
Was he?  Or did the cult develop around him after his death?  I'm not sure if it's entirely clear that he claimed to be the son of God, or the Messiah, or something else, or nothing.  I think it's only proven that others made these claims about him.
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Valmy

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June 16, 2016, 02:40:55 PM Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 02:44:08 PM by Valmy
Quote from: Caliga on June 16, 2016, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 16, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
Rabbis were not really a thing back then though. I mean not as an institution. He was a member, and eventual leader, of a weird millennialist cult
Was he?  Or did the cult develop around him after his death?  I'm not sure if it's entirely clear that he claimed to be the son of God, or the Messiah, or something else, or nothing.  I think it's only proven that others made these claims about him.

I don't think he claimed to be those things. I think he was a 'be just to the poor and the downtrodden you rich hypocritical bastards' in the Old Testament tradition combined with a claim that the Kingdom of God had come in some metaphysical sense. The reason I think this is because the ONLY common event in the four gospels is the incident at the Temple in Jerusalem, so one must assume that if he existed this must have been the most famous and well known incident.

The cult I am referring to is the one led by John the Baptist, the one whose leadership he assumed after John was killed. Presuming you believe that story. I do because the gospels have to do some gymnastics to explain why Jesus would be the follower of somebody else. Since it is a problem they have to address I assume it was common knowledge.
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Caliga

#13
June 16, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
Oh, I see.  Gotcha.
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The Brain

#14
June 16, 2016, 02:47:45 PM
(((Jesus))) was the son of God. I don't think (((He))) kept quiet about that.
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