Postmodernism is destroying our brains, culture and civilization

[Martinus]

I think the problem with postmodernism is that, whilst it started out as a healthy critique of accepted narratives and ideologies, it has led to relativism and then to anti-pragmatism and anti-empiricism of sorts - basically a belief that if something seems to be true, then the reality must be the opposite.

Agreed. It led to people thinking that protesting against neo nazis was wrong because hey, everyone has a right to march.

If you are going to mischaracterize my positions, at least do it in the thread where the discussion is already ongoing, rather than spread it to other threads.

[crazy canuck]

I think the problem with postmodernism is that, whilst it started out as a healthy critique of accepted narratives and ideologies, it has led to relativism and then to anti-pragmatism and anti-empiricism of sorts - basically a belief that if something seems to be true, then the reality must be the opposite.

Agreed. It led to people thinking that protesting against neo nazis was wrong because hey, everyone has a right to march.

If you are going to mischaracterize my positions, at least do it in the thread where the discussion is already ongoing, rather than spread it to other threads.

Already done.  And I repeat, whoever you are following these days has missed the point badly.

[celedhring]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, I guess, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

[crazy canuck]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

[garbon]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Meh, they existed before.

[Valmy]

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Agree about the cynicism. Not sure about Marty.

[Martinus]

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Agree about the cynicism. Not sure about Marty.

[grumbler]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

[crazy canuck]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

Yeah, I remember telling you that once.  Glad you remember to use it from time to time, although in inappropriate circumstances.

[Savonarola]

Postmodernism is destroying our brains, culture and civilization

Hear, hear, back to modernisme:

[celedhring]

Postmodernism is destroying our brains, culture and civilization

Hear, hear, back to modernisme:

I always mixed up Modernism/Modernisme when I first tried having art conversations in English.

[crazy canuck]

All of them? Post-modernist mistrust of grand narratives and ideologies has unshackled a lot of the arts and freed them from conventional forms and content. In film it has been very enabling, from weird hyper-subjective South Korean dramas to Mad Max Fury Road. Loads of my favorite writers (Nabokov, Eco, Vonnegut, etc...) are post-modern too. Post-modern music can be a bit too precious though 

Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Ideology seems to dominate art to a huge degree these days. Nice to hear though.

Art is always ideological, the "problem" is that postmodernism has made us acutely aware of it. Producing and receiving art without an ideological intent or interpretation is becoming increasingly hard. Mistrust of ideology and challenging of such ideology has become an ideology in itself, in a way. And yeah, that's not good.

At some point the pendulum will swing back, but it has been a good ride. Postmodernism challenged lots of stuff that needed challenging.

The problem, I think, is that it produced such cynicism that we have people like Marti who have no moral compass at all.

Meh, they existed before.

Fair point

[grumbler]

Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

Yeah, I remember telling you that once.  Glad you remember to use it from time to time, although in inappropriate circumstances.

  Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

[crazy canuck]

Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

Yeah, I remember telling you that once.  Glad you remember to use it from time to time, although in inappropriate circumstances.

  Irony is not just the opposite of wrinkly.

[The Brain]

Well I'm getting good laughs out of the Twitter account. Thanks, Hami!