Man removed from UK flight over 'prayer' message on phone

[grumbler]

THe only story here is "Journalists exaggerate and lie to create news, and suckers buy it hook, line, and sinker".

I agree.  Pretty much the same as the panic over the idea that Apple has to assist law enforcement.   Total non-story, other than the suckers buying it hook, line, and sinker.

[grumbler]

He was a victim of a bunch of circumstances beyond his control where he got screwed by the system. We all get screwed by the system all the time

Ah yes, all screwings are equal.

Yep.  If I go into a bakery and get in line, and the bakery owner tells the guy ahead of me to "get out of here, nigger!  We don't serve coons!" and then, when I get to the counter, tells me that he is all out of the raisin bread I came to buy, the other customer and I have encountered identical inability to purchase, and so the harm we have suffered is identical.

[grumbler]

He was a victim of a bunch of circumstances beyond his control where he got screwed by the system. We all get screwed by the system all the time

Ah yes, all screwings are equal.

Not at all - but you have not provided any reason to believe this one was less equal, or that there is some kind of problem with the system itself.

To the extent that there is *any* story here, or any claim to racism, it is limited to individuals, and you don't even know if race was a part of it at all.

Other than, of course, the guy is black, so I guess if something bad happens to him it is automatically racist.

Oh white people. It must be so lovely.

I doubt it.  They sunburn really easily. 

[Razgovory]

Is that not the definition of the very racism you decry? An assumption that my views and opinion is informed by my race - that I am not capable of simply disagreeing with you on the merits of the story, rather than because I am white?

The irony is that the story makes no mention of his race at all - it doesn't say that the person complained because of his race, or that security made a comment about his race, or gave any indication whatsoever that the outcome was dependent on his being not white.

I guess the demand here is that I *must* conclude that none of this would have happened had he not been black, otherwise I am just a amusing, funny blind white person. You know, because I am white.

Stop trolling garbon.

[Martinus]

Btw, garbon, would your take on this change if, rather than this being found out by a "busybody looking over a shoulder", the passenger wore a badge or otherwise announced to fellow travellers that he is a member of the "ISI men" prayer group?

Wore a badge? As in a badge that said 'ISI men'? Yes, I would find it very troubling/sad if people thought he was a terrorist because he wore a badge.

So how exactly is the fact that a "busybody [was] looking over his shoulder" in any way relevant to assessment of the situation?

The only question is whether the personnel acted reasonably. I believe they acted cautiously but within the reasonable framework. Personally I'd rather have aircraft personnel err on the side of safety, rather than fear of offending someone.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought everything was reasonable except the pilot not letting back on.

[Martinus]

I thought everything was reasonable except the pilot not letting back on.

I am inclined to agree. It would be good to know more about the reasons for this, though. It is possible letting him back on would have caused further delay which was not acceptable (eg. the plane missing its departure spot etc.)

[Berkut]

I thought everything was reasonable except the pilot not letting back on.

I am inclined to agree. It would be good to know more about the reasons for this, though. It is possible letting him back on would have caused further delay which was not acceptable (eg. the plane missing its departure spot etc.)

Yeah, there is no way to know - and given that we DO know that the author of the story is perfectly willing to mislead his readers, I am skeptical that there wasn't any more detail around the pilot's actions either.

But given a lack of information, I think the safe assumption is RACISM!

[Razgovory]

We don't actually have information that the author is "perfectly willing to mislead", but hey, that didn't stop you.

[Eddie Teach]

We don't actually have information that the author is "perfectly willing to mislead", but hey, that didn't stop you.

You're right. It could be the editor.

[celedhring]

I thought everything was reasonable except the pilot not letting back on.

Yeah. It appears several passengers were cunts about it, too, which might have influenced his decision.

Once the guy was cleared he should've had no further issues, but I can't fault airport security for being extra-cautious.

[derspiess]

Damned busybodies.  And Berkut needs to check his privilege.

[Jaron]

Ugh, someone please bring me a towel so I can clean the white privilege out of this thread.

[Berkut]

THe only story here is "Journalists exaggerate and lie to create news, and suckers buy it hook, line, and sinker".

I agree.  Pretty much the same as the panic over the idea that Apple has to assist law enforcement.   Total non-story, other than the suckers buying it hook, line, and sinker.

If nothing else, that story seems to have attracted a lot more suckers. This one...not so much.

[Berkut]

He was a victim of a bunch of circumstances beyond his control where he got screwed by the system. We all get screwed by the system all the time

Ah yes, all screwings are equal.

Yep.  If I go into a bakery and get in line, and the bakery owner tells the guy ahead of me to "get out of here, nigger!  We don't serve coons!" and then, when I get to the counter, tells me that he is all out of the raisin bread I came to buy, the other customer and I have encountered identical inability to purchase, and so the harm we have suffered is identical.

That analogy works really well if in this case someone kicked him off the plane and told him "We don't let black people fly our airline!".

Or maybe that is the point you are making? Not sure, might be blinded by my white privilege.