GOP isn't the only party with internal issues

[Razgovory]

Okay.  Well whatever you consider Socialist, Hamas is the still a far right group.

No, I wouldn't say so.
Hamas has much in common with the party of Erdogan in Turkey and the Moslem Brotherhood, who at least at face value support quite leftist fiscal policies.
Socially conservative, well yes, but ever since Bismarck, paternalist policies in helping the poor has been a part of many brands of conservatism.

Fatah was the darling of the European new left back in the 70s. The story of Hamas includes the Mossad trying to build an alternative organisation mostly focused on welfare and religion instead of Arafat's Fatah. It could be considered the most dire example of blowback ever when Hamas actually began to take an interest in politics.

Fatah, is a leftist party.  It's part of the Socialists international, so it's no wonder it should be the darling of the European left in the 1970's.  Erdogan's crew is not Islamist but social conservative and free market.  Hamas is fundamentalist and Nationalist.  It is firmly in the right wing.  That it runs soup kitchens does not change that one iota.

[Razgovory]

So you were trolling me.  Like you do in 90% of your posts.

No... You just jumped to conclusions.

[Razgovory]

The funny thing is of course that Raz is much more religiously conservative than Spicy has ever seemed to be.

[Valmy]

The funny thing is of course that Raz is much more religiously conservative than Spicy has ever seemed to be.

Raz is the Defender of Faith(tm) but not actually religious himself...at least that I can see.

[Norgy]

Okay.  Well whatever you consider Socialist, Hamas is the still a far right group.

No, I wouldn't say so.
Hamas has much in common with the party of Erdogan in Turkey and the Moslem Brotherhood, who at least at face value support quite leftist fiscal policies.
Socially conservative, well yes, but ever since Bismarck, paternalist policies in helping the poor has been a part of many brands of conservatism.

Fatah was the darling of the European new left back in the 70s. The story of Hamas includes the Mossad trying to build an alternative organisation mostly focused on welfare and religion instead of Arafat's Fatah. It could be considered the most dire example of blowback ever when Hamas actually began to take an interest in politics.

Fatah, is a leftist party.  It's part of the Socialists international, so it's no wonder it should be the darling of the European left in the 1970's.  Erdogan's crew is not Islamist but social conservative and free market.  Hamas is fundamentalist and Nationalist.  It is firmly in the right wing.  That it runs soup kitchens does not change that one iota.

Fatah isn't nationalist in your opinion?

I am going to give that a  .

I can't quite remember the name of Tr... sorry Erdogan's party, but I think it translates to the social and welfare party. It's basically authoritarian with a smack of welfare.

Your analysis seems to be socially conservative, therefore rightwing.

[Razgovory]

I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

[derspiess]

So you were trolling me.  Like you do in 90% of your posts.

No... You just jumped to conclusions.

You're just pissed because you have to eat fish today, while I get to eat that 22 oz. porterhouse I'm planning on ordering

[Razgovory]

I am not unhappy.  I get boiled shrimp.

[The Brain]

I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

Fatah are Nazis?

[derspiess]

Shrimp is an excellent appetizer.

[Norgy]

I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

At least they have the Kurd murdering in common with Saddam.

[Ed Anger]

Shrimp is an excellent appetizer.

Bug meat.

[Razgovory]

I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

At least they have the Kurd murdering in common with Saddam.

It's not murder when they blow themselves up

[dps]

Religious fundamentalism is not inherently conservative, except on certain social issues.  I've pointed out before that the most fundamentalist President we've ever had was Jimmy Carter (at least since the 19th Century;  Hayes may have been more of a fundamentalist), and President Carter was hardly a hard-right type.

[Valmy]

Religious fundamentalism is not inherently conservative, except on certain social issues.  I've pointed out before that the most fundamentalist President we've ever had was Jimmy Carter (at least since the 19th Century;  Hayes may have been more of a fundamentalist), and President Carter was hardly a hard-right type.

Depends on the political culture sure. It does not line up exactly with conservatism here because of the whole Church state separation.