GOP isn't the only party with internal issues

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Razgovory

#45
March 04, 2016, 03:18:58 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Okay.  Well whatever you consider Socialist, Hamas is the still a far right group.

No, I wouldn't say so.
Hamas has much in common with the party of Erdogan in Turkey and the Moslem Brotherhood, who at least at face value support quite leftist fiscal policies.
Socially conservative, well yes, but ever since Bismarck, paternalist policies in helping the poor has been a part of many brands of conservatism.

Fatah was the darling of the European new left back in the 70s. The story of Hamas includes the Mossad trying to build an alternative organisation mostly focused on welfare and religion instead of Arafat's Fatah. It could be considered the most dire example of blowback ever when Hamas actually began to take an interest in politics.

Fatah, is a leftist party.  It's part of the Socialists international, so it's no wonder it should be the darling of the European left in the 1970's.  Erdogan's crew is not Islamist but social conservative and free market.  Hamas is fundamentalist and Nationalist.  It is firmly in the right wing.  That it runs soup kitchens does not change that one iota.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#46
March 04, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 03:11:33 PM


So you were trolling me.  Like you do in 90% of your posts.

No... You just jumped to conclusions.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#47
March 04, 2016, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 03:13:25 PM
The funny thing is of course that Raz is much more religiously conservative than Spicy has ever seemed to be.

:huh:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#48
March 04, 2016, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 03:13:25 PM
The funny thing is of course that Raz is much more religiously conservative than Spicy has ever seemed to be.


Raz is the Defender of Faith(tm) but not actually religious himself...at least that I can see.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Norgy

#49
March 04, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 03:18:58 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Okay.  Well whatever you consider Socialist, Hamas is the still a far right group.

No, I wouldn't say so.
Hamas has much in common with the party of Erdogan in Turkey and the Moslem Brotherhood, who at least at face value support quite leftist fiscal policies.
Socially conservative, well yes, but ever since Bismarck, paternalist policies in helping the poor has been a part of many brands of conservatism.

Fatah was the darling of the European new left back in the 70s. The story of Hamas includes the Mossad trying to build an alternative organisation mostly focused on welfare and religion instead of Arafat's Fatah. It could be considered the most dire example of blowback ever when Hamas actually began to take an interest in politics.

Fatah, is a leftist party.  It's part of the Socialists international, so it's no wonder it should be the darling of the European left in the 1970's.  Erdogan's crew is not Islamist but social conservative and free market.  Hamas is fundamentalist and Nationalist.  It is firmly in the right wing.  That it runs soup kitchens does not change that one iota.

Fatah isn't nationalist in your opinion?

I am going to give that a  :lol:.

I can't quite remember the name of Tr... sorry Erdogan's party, but I think it translates to the social and welfare party. It's basically authoritarian with a smack of welfare.

Your analysis seems to be socially conservative, therefore rightwing.

Razgovory

#50
March 04, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

#51
March 04, 2016, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 03:11:33 PM


So you were trolling me.  Like you do in 90% of your posts.

No... You just jumped to conclusions.

You're just pissed because you have to eat fish today, while I get to eat that 22 oz. porterhouse I'm planning on ordering :yeah:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

#52
March 04, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
I am not unhappy.  I get boiled shrimp.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Brain

#53
March 04, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

Fatah are Nazis?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

derspiess

#54
March 04, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Shrimp is an excellent appetizer.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Norgy

#55
March 04, 2016, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

At least they have the Kurd murdering in common with Saddam.

Ed Anger

#56
March 04, 2016, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 04, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Shrimp is an excellent appetizer.

Bug meat.
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Razgovory

#57
March 04, 2016, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 04, 2016, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
I didn't say that Fatah wasn't nationalist.  I just said they were socialist, which they are (or at least were).  Erdogan's outfit is the Justice and Development party.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_%28Turkey%29  Here take a look.

At least they have the Kurd murdering in common with Saddam.

It's not murder when they blow themselves up :contract:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

dps

#58
March 05, 2016, 12:11:09 PM
Religious fundamentalism is not inherently conservative, except on certain social issues.  I've pointed out before that the most fundamentalist President we've ever had was Jimmy Carter (at least since the 19th Century;  Hayes may have been more of a fundamentalist), and President Carter was hardly a hard-right type.

Valmy

#59
March 05, 2016, 12:17:35 PM
Quote from: dps on March 05, 2016, 12:11:09 PM
Religious fundamentalism is not inherently conservative, except on certain social issues.  I've pointed out before that the most fundamentalist President we've ever had was Jimmy Carter (at least since the 19th Century;  Hayes may have been more of a fundamentalist), and President Carter was hardly a hard-right type.

Depends on the political culture sure. It does not line up exactly with conservatism here because of the whole Church state separation.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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