Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Zanza

Quote from: Martinushappened with Merkel and the refugees
Hmm, this is the first issue where she made a personal case and tried to explain her motivation.
The Euro rescue stuff is a much better example as that was always presented as "no alternative exists".

Josquius

Quote from: Agelastus on May 23, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
Considering that brits have the legal right to freely travel to Spain.  Tracking down and deporting those who have technically over stayed the 3 months tourism limit isn't a priority for the Spanish authorities. It would be a waste of resources

I would draw the conclusion, then, that if it's considered a waste of resources British expatriates can't be costing the Spanish healthcare system etc. enough to concern the Spanish authorities.
It could be both. There are a huge amount of Brits squashed into pretty small parts of Spain.
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That won't work for long term expatriates since they expire and have to be issued/re-issued by the country of residence, surely? Are you implying that there's long term major fraud in the system that needs to be stamped out?
Yes.
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Josquius

I just realised something
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Sheilbh

Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.
Let's bomb Russia!

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Quote from: Martinus on February 20, 2016, 10:06:05 AM
Frankly I am a bit perplexed that the British elites have managed to mismanage their plebes like that but if that's what they want, good riddance.

Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2016, 06:05:54 AM
Thanks for stating the obvious, Tamas - democracy is bad when it leads to outcomes we don't like.

I think it is very naive to think that, with that popular sentiment going on, the UK would be better off by taking this decision away from the people, though.

The mockery of democracy here is the elites taking a major life changing decision and then failing to convince the people why it is right for them - but instead painting those skeptical as ignorant xenophobes and racists.

Stop trolling yourself.  It's creepy.
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mongers

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

He's back.  :hug:

Now post some stuff, so us Brits can make an informed choice.
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Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

Sheilbh! :hug:
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Monoriu

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

1. Welcome back :hug:

2. What's wrong with Hong Kong with higher house prices?  :P

Agelastus

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

Sheilbh! It's good to see you. :)

Of course, I disagree with or am disappointed by the contents of your post, but that's neither here nor there.  :P
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Josquius

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

:yes:
I'm a fair bit of a stronger remain, I have other reasons too.
But thats one of my big 3 reasons to worry about the potential for leave winning (the other 2 being a lack of access to the European jobs market and a crashing uk economy. Oh joy)
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Zanza

The EU as protector of social standards or even basic rights... We know that from Eastern Europe, but it is surprising to hear it from a Western country. One of the cradles of democracy no less...

garbon

Well people have a lot of angst about the Conservatives. Doesn't make situation anywhere close to dire like Eastern Europe.
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Quote from: Sheilbh on May 24, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Remain. But only just. Only because the Tories are apparently going to be in charge until the sun burns cold and they can't be trusted. We'd just end up like Hong Kong with higher house prices.

Only just? Then do not remain and have fun with the Calais jungle!  :)

Gups

Nice to see you Shelf.

It's been a terrible debate, both sides have been truly awful but it looks as if Bremain have been more effective with the polls now consistently showing Bremain leads, many in double figures.