Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Zanza

Here is full Telegraph diatribe

QuoteMondays and Fridays went first. And then going into the office at all. And after that, it turned out that you couldn't really be expected to be in the same country as the company you work for, and your boss certainly couldn't contact you out of hours. Now, it is claimed that graduates are refusing to come into the office for job interviews. Seriously?

In reality, the WFH virus is mutating, and like many viruses, growing more troublesome all the time. A culture of industry and hard work that has taken centuries to create is being trashed before our very eyes – and sadly it will be very hard to ever restore.

It was probably too optimistic to expect the traditional job interview to survive the onslaught on traditional working cultures. The days when you might buy a new suit, polish your shoes, and arrive twenty minutes early, all to make sure you made the right first impression on a prospective employer are now consigned to the past.

And yet why would we be surprised by that anymore? When the pandemic struck, and we were all locked up at home for several months, many employers reckoned working from home – or lounging around in your PJs to give it its technical term – was a short term solution.

Sure, we might learn a few lessons in flexible working, while using office space more efficiently, but then everything would get back more or less to normal. Instead, it turns out that we allowed habits to form that are now out of control.

Working from home has been transformed from an occasional privilege to something that can't even be questioned. Aided and abetted by over-powerful, woke human resources departments, and perhaps soon to be enshrined in law by an incoming Labour government, it is considered an absolute right.

Any CEO with the temerity to suggest it might be good for people to pop into the office a bit more often can expect to be treated as the reincarnation of Ebenezer Scrooge. It doesn't stop there. "Working from anywhere" presumably means that you can be sunning yourself on a beach somewhere while still officially "working". The "right to switch off" means that your boss can't contact you about anything outside of working hours. But what if the entire company is about to crash? 

As for the five day week – there are efforts to whittle it down to four, and may soon be just three. Where it will all end is anyone's guess. It may soon be considered an outrage for employees to have to deal with customers, or to be subjected to performance reviews, or indeed to have any contact with their employer whatsoever, except of course to collect their monthly pay cheque (perhaps paid into an anonymous account so as not to intrude on their privacy).

The trouble is, this is not working for anyone. What must have started as a well-meaning attempt to improve productivity and flexibility has turned into something far darker instead. It is an all-out assault on the meaning and purpose of working at all.
If we are to put the most positive spin on it, it is about a younger generation – first desensitised to human contact by social media and an addiction to smartphones, and then traumatised by a pointless lockdown that robbed them of the formative experiences of school and university – that has forgotten how to negotiate their way through actual interactions with their fellow human beings.

They might not want to come into the office because they are intimidated by the occasionally scary prospect of actually communicating with their colleagues, or (gasp!) their boss.

If we were to put a less positive spin on it, it is about a sense of pure entitlement, mixed in with a dash of idleness. They don't believe in the value of work, they think the world owes them a living regardless of whether they make any effort or not, and, fed on a constant diet of TikToks celebrating "quiet quitting" and "lazy girl jobs", their role models are icons of indulgence and indolence instead of industry and application.

But here's the problem. Right now, our culture has got this the wrong way around. No one should have to be encouraged to "attend" a job interview in person. They should be raring to go, simply because they want to impress someone who may be able to offer them the next rung on the career ladder.

Likewise, you should be fitting your life around your work instead of the other way around. And you should want to be in the same geographical area as your colleagues and customers since otherwise you can't possibly know how to get better at your job. None of those are impositions. They are what make working at your chosen career worthwhile.

It is hard to know how to fix the culture of indolence now that it has become so deeply embedded. But perhaps not impossible. Companies might be tempted to announce that any applications from people who don't want to come in for an interview will be immediately binned – that they will ignore calls for a "right to switch off", and will make office working mandatory again.

It might or might not work. And yet, if nothing is done, a culture of work and effort that has taken two centuries since the industrial revolution to create will be lost. While it may be impossible to get everyone to buff up their sneakers before a job interview, at least turning up should not be too much to ask.

Sheilbh

Interesting piece on Vaughan Gething who is running to become Welsh Labour Leader and First Minister (or Prif Weinidog, if you want to annoy Tamas :lol:) - and would be the first black leader of a UK nation (and possibly anywhere in Europe at that level of government):
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/14/labour-vaughan-gething-aims-to-become-first-black-welsh-leader-interview

It would be historic of course, but also particularly with a British Asian Prime Minister, First Minister of Scotland (and Labour Leader in Scotland - so potential next First Minister) too.

But thing that struck me and I think says something about race in Britain and perhaps parliamentary politics generally - is the comparison of those firsts, which are historic, with Obama. They'll all have won through internal party competitions of one sort or other. In part because it's a parliamentary system you probably need to be a pretty established figure to be leader - you need to be an MP/MSP/MS and probably quite senior in the governing party. But also the striking thing is that certainly in the cases of Sunak, Yousaf and Sarwar they were the party establishment candidate (don't know about Gething) - which again is interesting. You think of Obama and it's the type of outsider candidacy that is only possible in a presidential system and he was running more of an outsider long-shot candidacy v Clinton who I think was (until South Carolina at least) the party establishment candidate.

Don't think there's good or bad in that but just struck as perhaps an interesting and maybe slightly telling difference?
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

Quote from: Sheilbh on February 14, 2024, 12:04:16 PMInteresting piece on Vaughan Gething who is running to become Welsh Labour Leader and First Minister (or Prif Weinidog, if you want to annoy Tamas :lol:) - and would be the first black leader of a UK nation (and possibly anywhere in Europe at that level of government):
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/14/labour-vaughan-gething-aims-to-become-first-black-welsh-leader-interview

It would be historic of course, but also particularly with a British Asian Prime Minister, First Minister of Scotland (and Labour Leader in Scotland - so potential next First Minister) too.

But thing that struck me and I think says something about race in Britain and perhaps parliamentary politics generally - is the comparison of those firsts, which are historic, with Obama. They'll all have won through internal party competitions of one sort or other. In part because it's a parliamentary system you probably need to be a pretty established figure to be leader - you need to be an MP/MSP/MS and probably quite senior in the governing party. But also the striking thing is that certainly in the cases of Sunak, Yousaf and Sarwar they were the party establishment candidate (don't know about Gething) - which again is interesting. You think of Obama and it's the type of outsider candidacy that is only possible in a presidential system and he was running more of an outsider long-shot candidacy v Clinton who I think was (until South Carolina at least) the party establishment candidate.

Don't think there's good or bad in that but just struck as perhaps an interesting and maybe slightly telling difference?

Maybe its that we're fine with minorities... as long as they're only minorities on the outside and the pressure to completely conform to the party line, whether conscious or unconscious, is much stronger for them.
And this just so happens to tend to put them in places where power is in reach?

Or I suppose then there's the far right explanation of PC gone mad, think of all those white prime ministers missing out due to diversity quotas, etc.. etc...
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Tamas


Zanza

Quote from: Tamas on February 14, 2024, 01:33:59 PMThat Telegraph article is surely a parody?
Market forces shifting bargaining power away from capitalists to the workers are obviously communist and morally reprehensible.  :bowler:

The Brain

Damn those lazy-ass 18th century cottage industry workers.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Sheilbh

Not the Telegraph, surely!




And, indeed, from that writer :lol:


(Which actually led to this article):
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

Didn't you live in a castle? :hmm: :P

I do remember a fun documentary on channel 4 some years ago about some minor aristocrat who just couldn't keep his long standing family manor from falling apart.
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Valmy

Quote from: Josquius on February 14, 2024, 02:34:11 PMI do remember a fun documentary on channel 4 some years ago about some minor aristocrat who just couldn't keep his long standing family manor from falling apart.

Caring for historic buildings can be incredibly expensive. Probably why so many aristocrats work in finance.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

Quote from: Josquius on February 14, 2024, 02:34:11 PMDidn't you live in a castle? :hmm: :P

I do remember a fun documentary on channel 4 some years ago about some minor aristocrat who just couldn't keep his long standing family manor from falling apart.

Yeah topic article sounds like his struggle.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Sheilbh

Inspired by Canadian poll comments. Latest big MRP - this is unlikely to happen obviously. But Tories down to 80 seats :mmm:
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

Well. Theres my porn.

So the bi election mess didn't do ought?
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Sheilbh

By-electons never matter really :lol: :P

I think Wellingborough is tomorrow and Rochdale in a couple of weeks.
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Gups

Quote from: Josquius on February 14, 2024, 05:19:15 PMWell. Theres my porn.

So the bi election mess didn't do ought?

I can cope with the missing apostrophe and the misspelling of by-election. But as the resident professional northerner  you should at least be able "owt" correctly.